Let's Give It a Taste: Thursday, October 29th, 2026

0:00Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the To and happy thursday hope everybody's having a great day today's kind of like gma at the toast good morning millennials america because we have a guest and he's actually joining us at the top of the show we would never make accommodations like this for literally anyone imagine if somebody said hey i have a project i'm launching can i come announce it at the top of the toast? We'd be like, no. Well, unfortunately, we couldn't say no to today's guest. It's Ben Soffer.

0:47Yay! Oh, am I here? You're here. Oh, I'm not. Welcome, Ben. Wow, that was a jump scare. I almost just, we're going to make them wait for the project. Welcome. Everyone knows that you are here to announce something. Have you been following the drama? I have been following the drama. About the Boy Who Cried announcement? I have not been following the drama about the Boy Who Cried announcement. We've been hyping up your announcement all week obviously like we're proud of you and we're really proud wife proud auntie in law and we soon to be wife and we were hyping it up and a lot of people in the comments like we're not getting hyped because they're like it's probably another split flavor ben like loves to be like a big announcement big announcement and it's

1:21like a new video of you and jared freed like my God. Yeah, you're the boy who cried announcement. Oh God. And we had to then be like, no guys, it's really, that's what I'm always telling you. You have to be a little bit more. So we were like, no guys, it's really a big announcement. It's not a Spritz flavor. It's so real. It's so big. And not that there's anything wrong with the Spritz flavor, of course. No. We said that too. No, it's, you're right. You can't have too many moments and they all be special. But today's moment. But this is a really special moment. And it's unbelievable that I didn't tell anyone. I feel like it's so me over the last like five years. You've literally told every person we've ever met.

1:56I've never told, they don't know. No, not the public, but like in your personal life, where at dinner you meet someone, I'm actually, you've told. That's fine. Okay, sure. I didn't know what you were saying. It didn't make its way to the interwebs. Nobody knows. No, it was a good kept secret. It was a good kept secret. That's what I meant. What is this? You have pain in the ass. So speaking of the secret, speaking of the announcement, would you like to share? Should we say what it is? Now? Yeah, let's do it. They've waited long enough. Today, you can order my debut cookbook Let's Give It a Taste Where we're making mealtime a moment We're going to put a link somewhere, right? Of course Okay, and otherwise

2:32Just like Google, Ben's Offer Let's Give It a Taste It's everywhere It's Target It's Amazon It's Barnes & Noble It's Strand It's Amazon Okay, independent bookstore It's you name We want those first Support local If you're going to order Honestly, try Barnes & Noble first And if there's some It's Amazon. Okay, independent bookstore. We want those first. Support local. If you're going to order, honestly, try Barnes & Noble first. And if maybe there's a shipping issue, then you can go to Amazon. Just buy the book wherever it counts. Wherever you like to buy books. Congratulations, Ben. This is crazy. Yay! It is such an amazing book. And you guys honestly had to endure a lot of it. Yes, Jackie and I both are editors on the project.

3:08We worked on the recipes. Jackie worked a lot on the intro story, the foreword. This book is a real labor of love for the whole family. It's got a lot of our family recipes in it. We've also eaten all of the food. We can enforce every recipe. I can say, actually, I don't want to be dishonest. I haven't tried all the food. He makes his own lox, gravlox. You guys ever heard of that? I did not try the gravlox, but, and Ben specifies in each recipes, like which ones I eat, which ones I don't like the pancakes. Of course, the family favorites are in there. The, uh, chicken rocks, chili, but there's also, I, what I like about the book and I feel like I want people to know is like, you're kind of like,

3:43I always say this, you're like kind of like a 50s housewife like I come home to like a dinner most nights correct and that's really what this book is like for people who don't know how to make dinner or don't know like what to make for dinner like that existential crisis of being like I have to make dinner for my family every single night for the rest of my life where do I start this is really um like a great option for that I think a lot of the moms who listen will love that about it of course you go into like your whole deli meats. You're literally making your own lox at home, curing your own salmon. So it's a real reflection of your interests. But I love like the amount of dinners in there.

4:13Yeah, there's a lot of dinners. It's really not just sandwiches. Like I could have originally was like, oh, let's just make like 100 different varieties of tuna salad because I could have made a book like that. But no, this is it runs the gamut we have from breakfast through dessert and the idea which is why the tagline is making mealtime a moment is as you guys know you're always like oh let's just like throw something on a table and i am typically like let's make something nicer because it's fucking true i've never said that in my whole life all the lines okay okay mealtime a moment okay literally literally contrarians. Literally contrarians. We're not the enemy. You're contrarians. Yeah, by the way, just to make the point

4:48of your book, you don't have to throw us under the bus. We agree we should make mealtime a moment. That's a great tagline. Really? We don't disagree with it. It's like a family value. Exactly. You know what? You want to make mealtime a moment. Oh, wow. You want to make mealtime paper and plastic. I literally slave over a fucking stove. And you're like, oh, why don't we serve the brisket with plastic forks? Because I fucking worked for like eight hours. What are you talking about? It is my belief that if someone cooked a home-cooked meal, we cannot eat it on paper with plastic. No. I just want to say, Ben is exaggerating. I completely agree. Okay. I completely agree. Like, especially we're making mealtime in a moment.

5:23We could use the real wedding cutlery. But you do a little too much sometimes. That's all I'll say. By the way, if you should be topping your nightly dinner with a little bit of parsley, a little garnish, make it look pretty. If it looks pretty, people are going to want to eat it. So what are your inspirations for this book? Like which, which of your fellow cooks? Um, well, first and foremost, my dad, my dad is a caterer. Um, and I grew up around that. My mom is a florist. Many people don't know that, but I come from a family of hosts. And so, yeah, they are my first inspirations. But beyond that, it's just like us. It's like we have these family trips where I cook a lot. I cook almost every night and it's fun and I love it.

6:06And I get to experiment and mess around. And sometimes a dish sticks, like a lemon garlic parsley chicken that we love. And sometimes I'll just try things for myself and I won't give it to you guys, for example, like a Moroccan scratch burger. And sometimes it's a bit of a quibblash joke for the end of time. Totally. Let's talk about the cover. You look so handsome thank you tell us a little bit about we shot in the hamptons we had to um my my always my inspiration is aina garden i love her of course she's amazing like if i wasn't married to her i she would to you i wasn't married to her if you weren't married to me she would still be married to jeffrey so good luck yeah but like maybe i could weasel my way into it. I don't think so. They totally get down. Oh, they definitely throuple. Yeah, they do. And do you want to talk

6:49about Quentin? Yeah. So I love Ina so much that I literally hired her photographer, Quentin Bacon, the Quentin Bacon shot this book. And he shoots Ina's book. And when you order this book and when you receive this book, you're going to look at this book and you're going to say, wow, Ben spent a lot of money. And the answer is yes. I spent all of my money on Quentin. And I mean, the photos speak for themselves. They are amazing. It was like being in the same room as Gilles Ben Simon. Like, really? It was like, Ben was like, I, of course, went to set. She shook the hand of the Quentin. Not to make everything about me. Me and Phu both went to set. And it was very, it was kind of, he's Australian.

7:24He looks just like, who did he say his celebrity crush? He kind of he's australian he looks just like who did he say celebrity crush his he kind of looks like bruce your dad yeah no he looks like paul mccartney he looks exactly like paul mccartney he's australian really doesn't look like my dad no not at all because would you say your dad looks like paul mccartney no not even a little no no maybe if my dad no because he's lost a lot of weight i don't think he could possibly look like paul mccartney no but it was like being in the presence. Ben had like really hyped him up, like Quentin Maine, Quentin Maine. And then lo and behold, I was reading on his cookbook and Quentin was all over it. I mean, it was a get.

7:52Like we went through and the number one choice was Quentin. Is Quentin going to work with a first time author like me? And it got sold to him by the great people. I should say this is published. Simon Schuster, Gallery, Molly. She is amazing. Molly Gregory, shout out. And then Sarah Pasik, my book agent. She's the reason Fork of July even exists. Oh, well, that's who I need to talk to. She literally, she's like, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to cook every single day. And that was the first one. I could kill her. I believe you helped me come up with the title, Fork of Jalop. You actually, Jackie came up with the title, Let's Give It a Taste. We were coming up with. That makes sense too.

8:33Jackie is fantastic at that. Well, this was a long time ago. Over a year ago, I was like, whatever your title is going to be, we need to see it even more now. And you were already, let's give it a taste. So that was, obviously I would have liked like delicious with lish. That's like putting the lish in delish. That's what I would have liked. That's what we almost. What was the book called before Jackie said, let's give it a taste? I actually have, I screenshotted it. The first version. This is fun. Yeah. The first version of the book, because I was obsessed with Ben Soffer, Celebrity, all this stuff. Celebrity Cooks or something, right? Cook Like a Celebrity was the original name of the book. I'm so glad we didn't do that.

9:17This is so much better. It also just doesn't make any sense. It's funny for the inside joke of what BSC is, but if somebody goes and picks up a book, Cook Like a Celebrity, they're expecting to see like Brad Pitt's recipe. Like a book of celebrity recipes. Or celebrity chef. Yeah, also celebrities don't cook. It was way too deep. It was way too deep kind of a joke. I don't want to cook like a celebrity. No, not at all. I'm pretty sure they don't cook. They don't know how to cook. Yeah. No, the name is great. The book is gorgeous. We're so proud of you. You can pre-order Let's Give It a Taste. Do you ever want to call it Fork of July? No, because that also is too niche, but we should come out with like a summer book.

9:56Like a summer pamphlet or something. I was also really pushing for like calling it like Fork, like something to do with Fork. You were. Yeah, yeah. Fork of Life. You were. You know. Which I, yeah, yeah, fork of life. Fork of life. You were. You know. Which I'm also happy we didn't go with. I pushed really hard for like fork. Fork of life. Yeah. I'm obviously not here to start stuff, but I did want to point out, I don't know if you know this, Jackie, that sourdough recipe is in the book. Which one? Your sourdough recipe is in the book. How'd you get it? Actually, no, not your sourdough recipe. No, not your sourdough. Using your starter. Great. Like you're credited in it. What do you mean get it? Actually, no, not your sourdough recipe. No, not your sourdough recipe. Using your starter. Great. Like, you're credited

10:26in it. What do you mean starting stuff? She should be so happy. And you don't even let her have her nice moment. She would have loved it. It was so sweet. You probably wanted to tell me it was like a gift to me, like as a surprise. No, she, I literally always say this to Claudia. She would be the greatest YouTuber because all she is is clickbait. She's a drama chat. It's literally like, Ben stole. My husband stole my sister's recipe. Click for details. And then literally you go in and it's like, I love my sister's bread so much that I decided to make it. Yeah. There's literally three pages on how to make sourdough. That is certainly in there. I love that. Step by step. So labor intensive. There's also probably my favorite chapter is how to make an Italian bread basket at home,

11:06where you go to a Carbone and you have a garlic bread, a tomato bread, these multiple breads. And I show you how to make that with some store-bought bread because that makes it a little bit easier. Because store-bought is fine. What are your thoughts on his take on store-bought? Oh, he actually has a thing at the beginning of the book where he gives like a kind of like a list of ingredients and also tools that he recommends. Being like you need the expensive knives, but you don't need the expensive like cutting boards. He gives his recommendations. And then for like condiments and stuff, he also is like, I prefer this brand whenever I'm talking in the book about like hot sauce or mayo. Just know I'm talking about Hellman's.

11:39And what was the question you asked? You were talking about not making something at home. And I would never make. And then he gives like he will say like, please, use store bought. Like, don't bother. what was the question you asked you were talking about uh not making something at home and i would never make and then he gives a like he will say like please you store what like don't bother with mayonnaise like don't like don't bother making at home though of course there are a few things that you don't few things no that that i i don't but i think bread it depends like if you want a great sourdough you can go to a bakery and get a great sourdough would i get the sourdough at your local grocery store probably not because it's not real but like you went to a bakery and get a great sourdough. Would I get the sourdough at your local grocery store?

12:06Probably not because it's not real. But like you went to Breads and got a sourdough. I'm sure it's made great. A bakery. But you do make amazing sourdough. So I would just like go to you. Go to your house. Yeah, your local and. Well, we're like special. We don't like have to go to local bakeries. Yeah. We have one in the family. We don't. Yeah. Even though like it's it's such a labor of love. I would never ask you to make me a loaf. Really? Ask me all the time. It's a process. I'm literally like netting like four loaves a week now. Are we not supposed to be asking? It's just a process. And also for food. Like I'm so happy to make it for you guys. Please ask. That's like a compliment. Okay. So

12:37we would love one. We would love one. We would love them weekly. Coming right up. Two a week. Okay. I'll put you down for one. We'll pick it up too. You don't have to deliver it. week. Okay. I'll put you down for one. We'll pick it up too. You don't have to deliver it. Two a week. I'll put you down for two a week. I will pick it up. You don't have to schedule a delivery. Because I've been like giving them away, you know? I've been giving them to neighbors. I know. Our friend just had a baby and she's like, all she's craving is sourdough. So I'm like making her a loaf a week. But I can put you on that list. Sounds like you're helping people make mealtime a moment. You are. I would say that. You make mealtime a moment.

13:03Because I'm inspired by my brother-in-law. You make mealtime a moment. Who often makes mealtime a moment. You are. I would say that. You make mealtime a moment. Because I'm inspired by my brother-in-law. You make mealtime a moment. Who often makes mealtime. Not us making this about us. Yeah. I mean, it's really like a family. It is. There's so much of your parents in this book. There's so much of us in this book. There is. You're sort of an amalgamation of all the beautiful women around you. Yeah. It's an amazing book that I really am very proud of. So I hope that you pre-order it. Pre-order. It comes out June 1st. Pops is a first time author. So like pre-order numbers like will really mean a lot to like his publisher and like

13:30maybe, you know, get him on some lists. Like as a first time author, we should be supporting Men in the Culinary Arts. And then also when you pre-order it and especially with like a cookbook, like you get the hard copy like that day and if you order it once it comes out. So like it will be on your doorstep before anyone else. You're going to want to preorder it. I'm also going to have your email and we are going to send you some really, really great stuff. I can't tell you what yet, but there's like preorder incentives. Like if you order early, you are put on a list where there's some fun stuff headed your way. Sounds very threatening. Okay. Totally. Can we redo that? Yeah. We're putting you on a list.

14:09I'm scared. No, like it's a fun list. Like giveaways and things like that? Yeah, cool. Can we do that again? No, no, it was funny. Leave it, leave it. You sure? Yeah, I'm positive. So we're leaving it in. But yeah, no, like pre-order incentives. Like, it's fun. I'll be on the list. Yeah. Of course. Like our ancestors. I wanted to ask you a question. I've been meaning to ask you this. Why did you write Ben Soffer, not Benjamin Soffer? Did it ever occur to you to use your government name? It didn't. And I think it just would have been too long. I know. When you look at the spine. A lot of people use the spines for like decor. And yeah, your name like wouldn't have fit. Right? It's know. When you look at the spine. A lot of people use the spines for decor. And yeah, your name wouldn't have fit.

14:46Right? It's gorgeous. You know, the spine matches my house. The spine does match your house. It passes the green check. Oh, by the way. You can add it to. That's the green. That's the green of my house. No, no. That's the green. Oh, that's the green. Am I supposed to know what we're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Our chat yesterday. Oh, we were discussing colors. From like the other secret. Yeah. We were discussing shades of green. Green. That's The green. The green. Am I supposed to know what we're talking about? Yeah. Like our chat yesterday? Yeah, from the... Oh, we were discussing colors. From like the other secret program? Yeah, right. We were discussing shades of green. Green. That's the green.

15:10My golly, we've got it. Wow. That's not the green. This is not the green. No, no, no. That's the green. Yeah. Wow. Like your stage name is Ben Soffer. Back to the... Of course. I was just wondering, like if you... What did you do? You did Jackie for... Jackie. That's my stage name. Next time I write a book, like I literally signing a Turdy Lou free book. People don't even know me by my name anymore. It's true. I'm okay with that. Turdy Lou. I'm so proud of you, Pops. You've worked so hard. Thank you both for letting me come on. Of course. By the way, there was no show that I would have. I didn't do this on my own show. Sure. He couldn't get booked on GMA, so he came here. No, really. No, I'm kidding.

15:41Really. Really. Of course. Thanks for giving us the exclusive. Thank you. You have the exclusive. Hopefully people I'm kidding. Really. Really. Thank you. Of course. Thanks for giving us the exclusive. Thank you. You have the exclusive. Hopefully people write it up. You know, you never know. Of course. No media outlets. Ben, feel free. Ben is open, and he's willing to sell all the family secrets just in the name of his cookbook. Yeah. You are. I do give you my permission to write it up if you'd like to. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Well, we love you. We're so happy. Make sure to get your copy of Let's Give It a Taste, Making Mealtime a Moment by Ben Soffer. Now available wherever you buy books. So that's Amazon, local bookstores, indie bookstores,

16:10Barnes & Noble, all the places. So check it out. We love you. Thanks so much for stopping by. And click the link. There's probably a link in YouTube. Just like quickly click. There's always a link. And make sure you get yourself added to that list. Yeah, yeah. You're going to want to be on the list. I guarantee it. You're going to want to be on the list. I won't give it to Hitler. Okay. All right. Thank you guys. Love you. Oh, it. You're gonna wanna be on the list. I won't give it to Hitler. Okay, all right. Thank you guys. Love you. Oh wait, should we leave this here? Sure, yeah. Just like a consistent promo? No, what we do is we put it on the shelf. Yes, put it on the shelf. Okay. Put it on the shelf.

16:37Where on the shelf? Where's the spritz test to go? Yeah, it's okay. We'll cover the spritz. It's okay. Yes, yes, yes. Wow. That's our businessmen shelf. Wow. Do you know who that framed photo is? He's probably the, he's the CEO of something. Of what? Black Rock? No, but he would probably be a good businessman. He's the CEO of Spirit Halloween. That's so funny. And he's an amazing businessman. Of the week. Even though he's got to figure out the Officer Dickie Down stuff, there's a weird little section over there. Did you see that? Thank God he's got to figure out the Officer Dickie Down stuff, there's a weird little section over there. Did you see that? Thank God he's gone. No, I'm kidding. Welcome back to the toast.

17:10Just Your Girl's back again. We haven't had a guest in so long. It was fun. It was. He said it's family. I'm glad we probably won't have to do it for another year. Yeah. Unless, of course, any members of the Golden Globes voting party wants to join us on our show. You're more than welcome. Let's talk about the exclusive behind the scenes. Of what it's like hosting such a high stakes show it's true how are you i'm good oh i need to be more interesting instead of saying i'm good oh my god you're so critical critical assessment it's okay by the way i think people actually really enjoy our show because we're always like good you know like we're not like crazy like having like manic episodes and nobody watches just the

17:43intro over and over and over like I did. Like I said, I'm good. And then we get into something interesting. You're being so self-critical. And of course, like this art, this is our art. It's deeply important and personal to us. But go easy on yourself, girlfriend. I actually went to a really fun event last night. It was a Mahjong fundraiser. Oh, and it was crazy because it was for breast cancer. Like so fantastic. So important. And I didn't get the memo. To wear pink? And the one time in my life. What'd you wear? I just wore like a cream sweater and black jeans. Black? I was like so. So not you. I looked like so anti, you know? Oh, so you actually want more breast cancer is what it sounds like.

18:19That's what it sounded like. But like, I don't. Everyone was wearing pink. And I'm usually always wearing pink. Accidentally. Put me down for wearing pink. Put me down for thinking it's a genocide put me down for wearing pink 90 of the time like imagine my shock to be the only one not in pink it was like that's like did olivia wear pink yes and she didn't tell you no i guess everyone no one told me i mean it's so obvious apparently like they sent out an email an hour before like reminding people, but I wasn't on the email list because that was a last minute addition. Nobody probably thought to remind me because they assumed I'd be wearing pink. She did not be reminded. Like, 95% of the time, I am wearing a shade of pink somewhere.

18:55That's terrible. And, like, last night, I was just, like, too cool for school. Well, I didn't go to this event because I didn't want to and I wasn't invited. But I did watch the Knit game But I did watch the Knick game. And I wanted to update you that the Knicks did win. Oh, good. And now they're 2-3. Not good. 2-3. Oh, but you said 0-3. They played the night before last as well. Oh, oh. 2-3. Okay, that's better. So we're like not embarrassing anymore. Oh, and did you know that it was a World Series? I did vaguely know because Mary Orton is a Bruins fan. Shout out to Nick Vial who also is a the other Bruins fan that I follow no that's not the name of the team sweetheart Brewers Brewers. Well I'm happy for Mary and Nick

19:34and I'm okay did you see the video of the guy putting his wedding ring on like I love him I haven't seen anything. So what I like about baseball is that all the players have a little bit of a belly like I just like that and so the pitcher who I don't know much about the makeup of the brewers team but i imagine he's one of the stars and he like threw an out the game ended and he won and like obviously people are storming the field there's media like the first thing he does is he reaches into his back pocket and puts his wedding ring back on like i guess you take it off when you're pitching so like so it doesn't get in the way um and like at the height of his career he's achieved this like major major like honestly historic milestone for his team i don't think they've like ever

20:08won and if they haven't if they have it's been a really long time and the first thing he thought to do was put to put his wedding ring back on mensch i love him that's really cute it was well mazel tov to the milwaukee congrats to the midwesterners that's exciting yeah yeah they deserve it i couldn't if you paid said to me claud right now, I'll give you $10 million transferred to your bank account. Tell me who the Brewers played. I was about to say, who did the Brewers play? I'm going to just go out on a limb and tell me if this is right. I'm going to guess the Dodgers. No. Okay. Did, are they called the Brewers because they have a lot of breweries and they brew beer? Oh, sorry. My knowledge just ends with that it's the name.

20:46I don't know anything beyond that. Because that would be like another cute name like the Magic. Right. But that would be more like the Milwaukee Cheesers. It was the Dodgers? Oh. And who did they play? Tampa. Oh, how did you not know that? It's so cute because it's like sunshine. Oh, I was thinking the Stingray. Maybe it's double entendre. It's a Stingray. Stingray. But also there's a lot of sunshine. Special meaning. The people who stingray. Maybe it's double entendre. It's a stingray, but also there's a lot of sunshine. Special meaning. The people who are naming these teams are so cute. That is really cute. And like the brewers, it's like the local industry, just like the magic. But I don't think that breweries are the local

21:18industry of Milwaukee. I'm pretty sure like cheese baking is. That's... I'm going to stop right there. What? Unless I give away my ignorance. What's I'm going to stop right there. Unless I give away my ignorance. What's your ignorance about? Where's Milwaukee? I'm so glad you brought that up. I happen to know because I've been I have been to Milwaukee. It's in Wisconsin. Because I was going to say that's Wisconsin. Exactly. And I've been to Wisconsin. Mary lives in Wisconsin? So does Peter Krause. And I believe Nick Vial is from Milwaukee of Wisconsin. Mary lives in Wisconsin? So does Peter Krause. And I believe Nick Vial is from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Are you sure? Yes. And what I know about Wisconsin is that they eat cheese.

21:58Green Bay Packers. And everybody puts the cheese on their head. Cheese heads. And they pack cheese. Is that why they're called the packers maybe they're packagers of cheese they do a lot of dairy over there and if i i have to go back to the map game oh meat packing meat packing like i like that meat packing is kind of new york's thing like is there a town is there a team called the minersers? There are the minor leagues. For coal mining towns? Where are the miners? They're fucking working. Like, they're not thinking about, they're not listening to this podcast. They're the only people in this actual country who work. I just, I like that they're naming the teams after, like, the local trade.

22:37Have you been seeing some of the, just like, reactions and discourse to Kim's autobiography? Not auto, Kim's biography? Not a lot. I don't want spoilers. I have been spoiling it because I've decided that I'm not going to read it um I saw an excerpt that they must have given to like Vanity Fair or something just confirming like the author says like he did his research and Kim like has had no major invasive surgeries and just like really downplaying that her ass is real her t tits are real and I just really, when I saw that I was like, I'm not reading this book. It's giving like Kardashian propaganda. I did see that. And I do know at this point, like Kim actually can't tell everyone that her ass is fake because

23:13it will have been a two decades long lie and she will look like such a liar, but to continue to propagate, like I won't be a part of it. I was wondering, because they're very open, they talk about everything, but like they don't talk about part of it like I was wondering because they're very open they talk about everything but like they don't talk about the butt and the butt all of their asses Chloe's and I think they like get away you know she had her butt x-rayed I don't think she has a fake butt in there but I think like you know fat transfer it was obviously enhanced but they say like my butt is real because there's not a fake piece of thing in there right like it's a rod fat from somewhere else.

23:48And I feel like everyone just like doesn't talk about the butt anymore. So I was wondering how they would deal with it in the book. And I thought they might ignore it. But instead, the author's insisting that her butt is real and her boobs are real. And that they haven't had any major procedures done to them. And then they're focusing on like a nose job. She's like, and I proved I didn't have a nose job. I don't think you had a nose job. I don't care if you had a nose job that's like literally so not even what anyone's talking about like so irrelevant like and i think even more shocking than the butt is the boobs are those really her boobs i mean she's a woman's almost 50 like that's insane how is that it's just not possible um also i saw somebody like recapping the book today and

24:22someone who i like like and does really good um like pop culture like recapping the book today and someone who I like and does really good like pop culture content that the book just seems like really like Kim. Like obviously this is her approved biography, but it just seems like Kim's point of view so much, especially like a lot of the book is about Courtney and how like Courtney just is like very jealous. The author came to this conclusion that like Courtney is just like extremely jealous of the success that Kim maintained at a young age. And like Courtney always thought that it should be her. She just didn't have like the drive or the hustle to get there. And like it's a lot about Courtney.

24:54And apparently Courtney was very difficult to nail down for her interview as well. It took like nine months. And Kim is like, yeah, like she's like really hard to get in touch with. Like, you know, ever since she married Travis and like it all boils down to Travis. So it just feels like, first of all, all the stuff we see on the show about Courtney is like definitely real but also I don't know it just doesn't feel like a totally hands-off autobiography excuse me um that's really surprising and I feel like could cause major damage between the two of them and I the thing is, I think that there is like already like worse than we know. Interesting. I'm going to read it. And I don't feel like from what I know up until this point,

25:32like I don't feel like that's true. I don't feel like Kourtney is jealous of Kim. I don't feel like Kourtney wants what Kim has. No, and maybe when they were younger and like, you know, they're all these like young hotshots in LA doing the stores and fashion. And like Kim takes off as Paris's assistant. And she does eventually bring her family up with her to her level. But like maybe when you're young, I could see there being jealousy for sure. And like maybe that's what they're referring to. But no, now there's no jealousy. Dynamics can shift so drastically in a family. Like if I think back to like 10 years ago, like what our dynamic was. Even the Kardashians. Remember when like Kourtney and Khloe were so mean to Kim?

26:03Yeah. And when they were so close. And now, and it's just like that might have been true at one point, but it's not at all true right now and not at all the issues that they're having right now. Right. So I'll listen to Mr. Van Meter's argument, but that's not how Jack sees it. Me neither. But I will read the book. Yeah. But I did find that shocking, like the button moves. Like, I'd rather they didn't say anything. And like, just how is that possible? Yeah. But I did find that shocking, like, the butt in the boobs. Like, I'd rather they didn't say anything. And, like, just, how is that possible? Yeah, I actually feel bad for Kim because she's, like, in this spot where I don't think she's a dishonest person.

26:31I think, actually, she's, like, kind of radically honest about all the things in her life. And I think when she was young, she didn't want to share this thing about her butt. And then they did, like, that whole stupid x-ray. And she just sort of, like, has never been able to renege on that because she went so far to like defend herself at the time and now it's just been so much time and i also think she did all that stuff before the buck got bigger well we do forget that when kim was launched on the scene she was just a girl with an amazing body who had like a small waist and like a not even a big ass but like hips and when she would wear those tight or veillage hairdresses, you could really see the hourglass figure.

27:06She then became a caricature of that look. But no, she did get a lot of attention at a time because she had like a little bit of like a chubby ass. Like it wasn't insane looking. Bigger butt than most, but not like what it is today. No, she just like got a lot of attention for it. And so I think she kept making it bigger. Yeah. And I feel bad talking about the butt. Like I don't want to talk about it. I feel like Howard Stern. Oh, I don't feel bad. Like harping on Kim's butt. And we never talk. I don't even think about the butt. But like, yes, if you're telling the story of Kim Kardashian, like the butt. It's what started it all. It's a huge part of her story. Her origin story. And we don't talk about the butt or the butts or the siblings butts or everybody.

27:46Everybody has a new butt except for Kourtney. Because whatever and then they obviously like became obsessed with this one, I don't know what it is. Fat injections. This one type of procedure. I think it's fat injections. They all took it so far. Khloe, that season where Khloe is like walking around with like a diaper on and the blue jeans like the light wash blue jeans. And then Kim sees the pictures of herself on the beach at Joe Francis' house and like has a breakdown. They all started to tone it down after that. But they all obviously, Kylie too, like saw what Kim was doing, was getting a lot of attention for it and it looked good until a point. And now I think they've come back down. But even Kim's ass now,

28:21it's not her ass. Like what are we talking about? No, I think it's a real thorn in her side too because she's obsessed with being skinny. I wish she never started. I think she thinks she wishes she never started the whole ass thing. But I wonder if she thinks like, that's why she's so successful. It's really, it's honestly like a huge conversation. Jackie, also in culture, like how we now think of women's bodies, like literally small waist, big ass, like that's the look. People, BBLs are so popular like everyone I think they're falling out of style yes now but this whole thing started with Kim it starts and ends with Kim the beauty constructs the beauty standards Kim's ass it's like it started her

28:56career and so like this is a huge conversation we never have it because again I don't want to be talking about someone's butt when she's so much more than that to me you know of course but but if you're writing the book on Kim and you're not even touching it the first chapter has to be called the ass like it's it's huge well I meant the topic but also the ass yeah of course yeah so like already it's not an authentic story biography that's exactly how I felt and I was like am I really gonna waste my time reading this anthology when they can't even be honest about like the one thing that's so clearly fake? And the boobs though. But like, I thought we just like, I didn't even think that was like a secret or like

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35:08Thank you, turk.com. You're welcome. Jennifer Lawrence is doing a lot of press for Mess. I know. I saw. She gave an interview to The Cut divulging on her plastic surgery. She gave an interview to everyone. I saw her on this like allure Instagram like series. I continue to be incredibly confused by everything she's doing. She also went on Call Her Daddy. Of course. Thus proving my theory that she doesn't need a hair care line. She needs a podcast. For sure. She's talking about her plastic surgery. The interview with The Cut talks a lot about like her nerves in launching this brand. Like I really think it's really just like a passion of hers okay i'm sorry you cannot get me to care about this she took like nose training classes to like so that she could perfect the scent

35:56so that way she can know really what it smells like why are you telling me that like what do you want me to say i don't know seriously what you want? Let's talk about her plastic surgery. Since I guess today we're talking about women's looks. And everyone has a lot to say about how different they think she looks. Yes. So she shared in the cut that she wants to be a sexy mom. I drop off. I want to look like a woman that has her shit together, even when I've just woken up and I don't have my shit together. So it's really also the ethos for mess. It's like someone who's like, you know, sort of just rolling rolling out of the house but you want like the important things to look good so you've gotten

36:28your work done and your hair looks good and you have you're not overly glam right exactly so she shared that she had her boobs done after her second child she said that one day she will get a facelift um and that she um talked about like all the different hair stuff that she did. But people are pointing out. Like her eyes. That she appears to have gotten the bleph. The upper bleph. Yeah, which I think is like a corrective surgery for hooded eyes. Now, I don't have hooded eyes. So I can't say that if I did, maybe I wouldn't also get this surgery. But I think that there's like literally nothing wrong with them. Maybe sometimes it's hard to wear eyeliner. Sure. I can't believe this is such a popular surgery because like I see

37:11nothing wrong with like I understand why people get nose jobs you know sometimes a big nose is not like you know sometimes it's beautiful of course I don't understand why this surgery got so popular like what's wrong with a hooded eye I don't know and then especially the most beautiful woman in the world Jennifer Lawrence has them if it's pretty much established that she got this surgery and i would agree like the pictures are compelling the the case is compelling then to like go and talk about your plastic surgery and like be open and just ignore something very obvious is deceptive agreed don't talk about it if you're not going to talk about it in full. And I'm of the mind, like, nobody owes me an explanation.

37:47The beauty standard. I don't give a fuck. Not at all. And I have eyes. So, like, if you're looking better than you did before and it looks like it's more than just, like, a little weight loss. Green tea. And a little moisturizer, I can make my own jump to. And, yeah, you got something done great. Good for you. No, I don't feel. But then when you start opening up, like, well, I didn't do this and I did do this. And it's like, but I think there's a lie for you. No, I don't feel. But then when you start opening up, like, well, I didn't do this and I did do this and it's like, but I think there's a lie in there. It's not adding up. No, I do not. And I think people disagree with me, but I'm not one of those people

38:12who's emphatic that every public figure who's a woman tells us everything they've ever done to their face. I seriously don't care. But if you're going to start the conversation, like, well, now we're. I don't need Anne Hathaway to tell me, Lindsay. Like, I could see something's new. Great job. I can see. I don't like, I can see I don't like I can great job looks great yeah so I'm not loving this like J-Law era I can't lie and it's crazy because I feel like this is what I've always wanted from J-Law she's like we know she's this bubbling personality be like never get to see it unless she's like on an award show carpet once a year if she goes that year but so yeah we're getting she's on my whole fucking

38:45timeline like at every like low brow editorial magazine it's very incongruous with the j-law image she's sort of worked hard to create for herself and like even what i've seen from her on call her daddy i'm not like but i also like feel bad even even judging it because she keeps coming to the internet with like please please be nice to me, please. Like she actually can't handle it. And even in this article, she's like so nervous about what she's putting out. She has to like continue to just be like, I have to believe that it's the best thing that has ever existed or else I can't function. And so it's like you don't even want to be critical because like she's just being so honest about her insecurities.

39:22But like we all feel that way and we all receive criticism. Yeah, no, that's very big of you. I will be critical just because like it is my job. And I'm not loving this era. And I think you're right. It might be a real passion project. And I don't think she's like lying about any of this. I think she's actually being very authentic. But just of all the things I would want her to like blow up and do press over, it's like this is not it. Yeah. And it's just like such a 180 from the girl we know who never even had instagram in the whole heyday and i can't really stress how disappointed i was when i found out like this is why she joined instagram yeah and she said she met with a like social media

39:56consultant who was like she knew like every founder will have to be on instagram and the person told her it didn't have to be like what she thought it would be like every single day posting the ins and outs of her life like still she's only posted like three or four things and she can do like hair tutorials doesn't have to be she doesn't want to show her own thing she can be in when she's in a hotel or something well I saw she did a get ready with me and I actually felt like I was in the twilight zone like I was like what am I watching yeah and like I'm not hurt I'm just disappointed like I I watching? Yeah. And like, I'm not hurt. I'm just disappointed. Like I, I actually thought she like wanted to be on Instagram with us.

40:30You know what I mean? Like I feel silly. Like I actually feel stupid. I was so excited when she joined. I'm like, our girl's finally here. She resisted long enough. And we know that she's not like totally unplugged. Like she loves the Kardashians. She says she has Finsta. She sends memes to her friends. She sees everything. She's like, like obsessed with like with tv shows and when she does pressure like reference random influencers like so it's not that she doesn't like it she does like it she has social media she's always so when she joined i was like we got her yeah and i just feel silly i do yeah well this is like the big week of J-Law, I would say. Yeah. I'm really curious, like, how many people have bought this hair care company.

41:10And I have heard that the hair care company is called either Mess or Messa. Actually, I saw that it's called Mess, and it's because M-E-S-S was already trademarked. Inspiring. That's a beautiful founder story. So it would have been called. It's a Mess, and it's because M-E-S-S was already trademarked. Inspiring. That's a beautiful founder story. So it would have been called, it's a relatable founder story. It is. It's so real. It would have been called Mess then. So, which I actually appreciate knowing that because I felt like when it was Mess Degree, it's like, well, I already, I don't understand. This is above, this is too highbrow for me. It's like fancy, and I don't get it, and I feel left out.

41:41No, I saw her. But knowing that it's meant to be called Mess, it's like for the messy girl. I saw her applying the product and it is for the messy girl. She had like this sort of like unkempt bedhead, even though like her hair is great. She put some of the product in, her hair looked exactly the same and she said she was ready to go. Okay, but I just want to say now that it's not like Mess degree, you don't understand this because like you're poor and ugly. It's like hot mess. It's like mess. Like there isn't a brand of hair care that's like catering to the messy girl. No, I would argue that a hair care exists to undo the mess. Or even if you are going for like that sort of like teased, it's like a very stylized.

42:21Yeah, I want. But there are makeup brands that are for the clean girl there are makeup brands that are for the natural like you know just the bare minimum like skin looking makeup there's not a hair care brand that's not doing the most no this is definitely like a very niche market because I really do think like no matter what hair texture hair type you have short long curly straight like we all actually don't want our hair to look messy like that's we're all just trying to contain the frizz contain um so there might be like a group of people who need this product it's not me i'm just understanding more of the brand story today that's beautiful which is what i've sought out to do yeah and i would say the degree really threw me off and i would

43:03like someone to answer for the degree. Because I'm not seeing it addressed. And I'm also not seeing it anywhere. Where did you see the degree sign? Everywhere. Like when I was like looking, I didn't see. You think they removed the degree? They might have like just to. I think. Mess degree. Yeah, I think the degree is meant to. You see it? Yes. I think it's meant to convey the science behind the products because jen said the founder's story is that she heard a ted talk from this bioengineer scientist and she hunted her down um so i think the degree sign is like hey we're not messing around when it comes to the lab lab me we've cracked the case lab grown hair care i think you're 100 right and like thank you for the explanation

43:51let's do you want to end the show have you ever said that i don't know i feel different like i've never felt this way so i'm feeling like you've never said that before. You made an excellent point. And I just want to honor that just for a moment, if I may. And maybe like honor J-Law for bringing that up. No, no. Let's honor me and how right I am, right? In like such a hundred percent kind of way. J-Law sort of like gave you that slam dunk. Did she tell you like what the degree was? No, you know what I did? I just used my brain. You just just used my brain i just thought about it i just thought about it and i said it it's like funny how that works isn't it i can't wait for my mess degree pr like honestly oh and i will be calling it mess degree

44:53of course oh my god you know what's so sad that like if she wasn't the butt of this joke like j-law would love this segment like it's true but i guess like the idea my verdict is i know that like you i have i am coming at a critical i have my verdict is still pending like i'm still open and i feel like she's still waiting for her pr waiting for pr um actually i haven't seen like lots of pr boxes i haven't seen any she's like done obviously like all the things you're supposed to do join instagram go and call her daddy and the next step in that is usually sending out pr boxes to influencers and the product is already out so I think like the preview for influencers. It's over. She needs to send it to Acquired.

45:29She does need to make a TikTok with Acquired. Them like putting their hair in rollers and just like in Acquired's bathroom. They should have like Acquired as like the first like campaign face. Making like a cute little video. Even though like Acquired herself and her brand like are getting into hair. They're getting into the product. But they have rollers. Like this is different. For sure. But like it's not that different. And honestly, like I would save your, like people really trust Acquired. So I would save that for her own brand, honestly. Of hair care. Yeah. That's obviously going to be like a thing she does. You think? Yeah. Like at some point. But she's got Fifi. She's so busy. And Fifi's doing, so maybe Fifi will do the hair care, but like it'll be there.

46:04Fifi would be a good name for like blowout serum and stuff. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ooh. Okay. Are you ready for our next story? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato recreate their most iconic moments for a new Rare Beauty campaign. Okay. I was like seriously gagged when I saw this. I kind of was too. First of all, I do forget about the Princess Protection Program. I just like came on my phone scrolling and I hear, yo, yo, yo. Yeah, I said it twice. Got a problem with that. Like I was not okay. And I didn't know that that was going to be happening. So I was truly sad for this campaign. So Selina and Demi, like former best friends, have teamed up for Rare Beauty's bundle of new blushes. And they're recreating some of their old YouTube videos.

46:43Some of their poses from Princess Protection Program and just like the glory days, I would call them. And it's so funny because when I think about the era of Disney and Demi and Selena, I do forget about the Princess Protection Program. Because that was like not a crazy popular decon. I didn't even realize that they're both in it. That's their like movie together. Yeah. It wasn't like it was big at the time, but like in the Hall of Fame, I haven't thought of it. Agreed. Since when I saw the picture of them recreating the poster, I was like, oh, yeah, what was that movie they did? We're like one of them's like a Dutch princess and the other is like homeless or something. And one of them is like the bodyguard.

47:16No, no. Like who's the princess to me? And then she comes to live with like Selena's family, like Selena's poor, you know? Interesting. Yeah. So honestly, not until we're discussing this right now did i realize they were in a movie together for me it was about the youtube video like yo yo yo yeah i said i probably had a problem with that and then like where's miley and mandy exactly back i like i actually like this i think that a lot of times very like julia styles not to keep throwing her onto the bus like when you rely on like nostalgia it's just like very low bar low hanging fruit like to get people excited and it always works but I don't feel like it requires like any like level of taste or talent I happen to have thought

47:53that this was really cool and smart especially because these two have not historically as far as I know been good they weren't at each other's weddings um I hope the Demi got paid right yeah why don't you call her Dem her name is demi no i get confused because demi was in the background of dancing with the stars the other night yes demi you think she's paid yeah yeah i do think so rare beauty has a lot of money it's a billion worth over a billion dollars yeah yeah i would say like any other thing that selena could have you know she could have recreated like some wizard way to play some something she could have this like lore runs so deep for me that it's a plus i agree gold star selena looked great oh did you we didn't talk about

48:32this but like a week or two ago selena took to instagram to talk about the fact that like her voice is so different and easily and she blamed it on the fact that she vaped for so many years which i haven't heard as a side effect of vaping I obviously vaped myself for many years um but it sounds possible and it's interesting that she like knows what people say she like just admitted to vaping for so long I feel like she's sort of just like well if you watched her apple documentary which we both did her vape was in the hole her vape was a main character when you have a true vape addiction you cannot hide it. It's glued to you. And that was her. That was her truth. And she doesn't vape anymore? I don't think so.

49:11Very interesting. Her voice is very different. Yeah. Obviously her singing voice, but I'm talking about her talking voice. Her talking voice, yeah. Are you ready for our next story? I am. Amanda Batula exits in the city ahead of season 2 amid controversial relationship with Wes Wilson. A lot of people, they shook up in the city, but nobody cares about anything besides these. Amanda has exited in the city ahead of season two. One source claimed to Page Six that the network wanted Amanda to return for the second season in a more limited part-time capacity. According to that source, Amanda wanted her boyfriend Wes involved in filming, but that showrunners were adamant he not be included, which paychecks is told influenced her decision to walk away from the show opportunity altogether.

49:50That's actually crazy. However, a second source denied that, saying it's just not the right time for either of them to appear on the show. A third source said money was the issue, claiming Amanda wanted a certain salary for season two that Bravo was simply not willing to provide. I kind of believe all three. Yeah, because the city is not a popular show. So her expecting the salary she was probably getting on Summer House is not a reasonable request. But like, she is the show. I do think the idea that the network wouldn't want West or would want Amanda in a smaller capacity is a mistake. Like, they need to lean in. I'm sorry. And the city was such an unimpactful first season. It's all we're talking about. All the impact that it made was due to like Kyle and Amanda

50:29and the storylines that carried over for Summer House and then people started watching again to see clues of Amanda and West on in the city like that is the thread that runs through in the city and is like responsible for most of the success. Any success they had is like collateral damage from Summer House. Yeah. Like then I, yeah. Whitney and Kenny and getting engaged. Like Carl is now going to be included as a full-time cast member. He was excluded from the show entirely. Does that mean he is, these people are not on Summer House or do they have two shows now? They might have two shows. Like Kyle is on Summer House. But I thought that they were like slowly transitioning Kyle out of Summer House.

51:04Like Kyle should not be on Summer House. But he's that they were like slowly transitioning Kyle out of Summer House. Kyle should not be on Summer House. But he's on this season like kissing Sierra. Right, right. Also, per the source, Danielle and her boyfriend, Eon, as well as Andrea and his wife, Lexi, both of who just welcomed babies, were not asked back. Now, I just want to say, neither of them were particularly compelling. However, I thought this show was like supposed to be about like the Valley. People going through postpartum, that phase of life after, you know, your summer house era. No, Lexi, the episodes that I saw, Lexi and Andrea, like really gave nothing, like nothing. Danielle is a stuff starter.

51:42And she did just come off of like a very traumatic and what might be like a relatable and intriguing story with her NICU story so I do feel like it's a little premature to get rid of Danielle even though she is just disliked like that's that's the problem you do that's how I feel about Amanda like nothing there was probably zero chance of me watching in the city but if Wes and Amanda were on it I probably like 100% would have watched it. I think everyone would tune in. They need them like so badly. Did you see Alex Cooper ask Jennifer Lawrence if she thought Amanda and Wes should be filming on Summer House? And she like, she didn't know how to answer. She just like- She's like afraid of getting canceled.

52:18I think so because I think the answer is yes, of course. Even Andy said it at BravoCon or BravoFanFest. But it's like obviously inappropriate. Why? Why is it inappropriate? Now, Sierra's not on the show. Sierra's on the show. In the city? No, I'm saying Summer House. Oh, I actually don't think that they should be on Summer House. Like it's actually too explosive. They would have to get rid of Sierra. And that's just wrong. Like it's not fair. And no, like living in the house, it's weird. No, now they're in a mature relationship I think like actually in the city is the perfect place for them to not only earn a living but like to start to earn a little bit of favor with people um they seem to be in a real

52:57relationship I don't know I kind of like really want to see them yeah me too and I also feel like because she's not on summer House, like she wants more money to do the one show. She's literally going to be like the butt of every joke. No, and she's going to put herself out there to such a degree. I think she deserves whatever salary she was asking for. Completely agree. I believe like every single one of these things. I think she wanted him on the show and they said no. I think that's also wrong. I think. Why would we only want half of the story? Like, yeah, he's the crazy one. Like, I would love to see both of them. I think they should both get paid. Because by the way, putting themselves out there like that, like the fans and the world

53:30has decided like they're totally nothing's off limits. Like we could say whatever we want. The shit that they were saying to him at the reunion was kind of like with Raquel. Like we literally basically telling someone to kill yourself and everyone's like, OK, like so in order to endure that, you do deserve to be compensated. Yeah, I agree. And I really would have watched that. I think that she's, I think that's a pretty like smart approach from her. Like, I'll do this. For a price. Yeah. But if it's not, even though it's all the things that come with it too, but even though brands aren't going to be flocking to work with her, she deserves the money. You can live off of like the salary of a high paying.

54:03I'm curious like how they are living. Yeah. I think Amanda saved a lot of money like for a long time. And she's not like super indulgent. No. But just like living in Manhattan in a nice apartment like will run you dry. Yeah. Not even living extravagantly like just going out to dinners and stuff. I don't know. Yeah. Big mistake. Everyone should have tried to make it work. Yeah. And then they also said like a new cast member, maybe someone from The Bachelor. Oh, yeah. I like when they do that. Me too. Not that I watch anything, but like. I will not be watching this. I think it's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. And then our fourth story, Tyler Cameron speaks out after being caught on camera storming off Dancing with the Stars.

54:42Like the way people were so quick to be like, he's a red flag. You guys are sick. Like nobody can be a human. No, nobody can just like walk away from something they're not enjoying. Of course. And like, you should see me when I'm fed up with something. Like I thought it was a very tame reaction. So in a new TikTok video, he spoke about being eliminated. He thanked Sharna and called the show a once in a lifetime experience, while also addressing what he described as a real human moment out of him. He said, not my proudest moment when i was upstairs getting my scores i thought we were done filming i needed to step away from it all i was disappointed in myself it was boom or bust at that point we needed to have a great score or we were out of this competition and it

55:15was bust in my head and i felt like i let myself down more importantly i thought i had let sharna down and it was hard it was very clear what was going on i don't need this explanation thank you tyler but people were very quick to like, toxic man. So toxic. So many bitches are not fucking okay. Like he's allowed to be upset. And that's what we were saying yesterday. I think like week after week of just like, first of all, leaving your pregnant fiance at home, working so hard physically, emotionally on this thing that just doesn't come naturally to you. And every week it's like getting worse and worse. I think it's very frustrating. And any human being would be emotional about it. And yeah, like I would have done worse.

55:47Yeah. And it's like in that moment when he's getting his scores, it's as if he's being told he's going home. That's his reaction. Right. As if he's knowing he's going home. It was the nail in the coffin. Sharna said literally every bit of technique that got called out is everything that we've been working on all week. And to be honest, I watched it back and I think he executed a lot of it beautifully. I think your score should not have been sevens. I don't know why you were given sevens. I didn't think it was, like, that god-awful. But it was obviously, like, not enough to keep him going. Yeah, the bar has just been raised also. Yeah, yeah, but it wasn't like they collaterally, like... No, nobody fell.

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1:01:02If you want to email us, you can actually, deartoasters at gmail.com or head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com. There's a little submission box when you scroll down. That's how you can get your message to us. If you're going through something, maybe we can help you out. Maybe we can't, but we'll try. Hey, Jackson Turney. And the theme of today's selects are husbands, like questionable husbands. Hello, Jackson Turney. I need advice on how to talk to my husband about his hygiene. I was recently doing over a week's worth of laundry and I was folding it. I noticed there was only one, right, one pair of my husband's underwear in there, which had me thinking, has my husband only changed his underwear once in the last week or even

1:01:40longer? I did the laundry from start to finish today. So it was like, it wasn't like it was clean clothes in a basket, yada, yada. Because of this, I casually asked him when the last time he showered was, to which he said, I don't remember. This is not the first time I've noticed that he doesn't shower that often. He doesn't smell or anything. But in my opinion, a man in his 30s needs to be showering every day or at least changing his underwear every day. He works from home, so it's not like he's going out in public like this, but it still really bugs me. I don't want to make him feel bad about himself's going out in public like this, but it still really bugs me. I don't want to make him feel bad about himself,

1:02:07so how do I approach this without coming off mean? Disclaimer, he actually takes his oral hygiene very seriously, so he's not like completely unhygienic. Is there any chance that he's just not wearing underwear? No, because when she asked him the last time he showered, he said he couldn't remember. But maybe that was like because it was, you know, yesterday morning. Like maybe he's just like... Maybe. I don't want to be an alarmistist and I don't want to overreact but I do feel like the idea that your husband might be going through some sort of mental illness is very real because not showering not changing your underwear is not normal now I think I make some exceptions for women you know like with your hair

1:02:46whatever you may be not showering washing your hair every day like men shouldn't wash your hair every day men should wash their hair every day like men should shower minimum once if not twice a day this is insane and i think maybe he's actually dealing with some sort of like manic episode like this is not normal yeah I think also like the picture you're painting of him working from home so he doesn't need to shower you're the only one that's around him and he doesn't keep up like basic standard hygiene though he doesn't smell which is a feat in and of itself I just like I think you need to really lay down a lot this is just unacceptable like this is not like well maybe we could no this is so unacceptable

1:03:29to expect someone to live with you have sex with you and you don't even shower no offense like who the fuck do you think you are yeah barring any sort of mental illness because i know when you're going through like a like an actual depressive episode like you can't shower you can't you can't brush your hair you can't take care of yourself sure if that's happening let's get him help but if he's just like refusing to be hygienic for the sake of like you know time management yeah and he doesn't have to and he's not leaving the house unacceptable as in not acceptable this is like so needs to be nipped in the butt it's gross and sometimes I feel like people who don't even shower change their underwear.

1:04:06You know what I mean? It's like a cheat code. Yes, but I also feel like sometimes men don't wear underwear. Really? Especially if he's not leaving the house and he's probably in sweats or whatever. I don't know to be true, but it's possible. I feel like only girls don't wear underwear. Unless they're swimming. And some men even wear underwear swimming. I feel like men are always wearing underwear. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just talking about the one man i know it just seems like that's also could be true well that would be an explanation for the lack of laundry and like part of me wants to be like happy for you that like you're doing less laundry but ben always wears underwear because he's never wearing pants true so that's why he's no but like ben's

1:04:40never gone to an event or like but he's not going to events true ben's never sat for a meeting in our house because he's in his underwear. It's true. No, I'm very, I'm coming from a place of privilege. Like he could just be wearing sweatpants with no underwear or pajama pants with no underwear. He could. And you didn't even ask that. Then I would be a little bit more specific with your question. And like, and if some people take showers at night, some in the morning, when you ask him when you do last shower, he might've like not remembered. Cause he didn't realize it was like a life or death question like right he might have just been like maybe it was yes he didn't realize you were doing an audit like or

1:05:09the day before like yeah not doesn't mean he didn't shower for a week well that's nice of you to get the benefits of that smell doesn't smell i feel like it might really not be all that bad you're just asking the wrong questions and looking at the wrong clues but you said this is not the first time i've noticed that he doesn't shower that often. Not just this one time. What's that often? Because at this rate, I'll take every other day. Of course. And I wouldn't consider that like that's not the ideal for me, but it's not like a red flag. You know, because back in the day, they showered once a year. That wasn't good either. I feel like you would really, really know like your sheets, like his side of the bed would be like stained.

1:05:41He would just be really gross. And you're not saying that he is. You're not saying that. You're saying more so like that's just as unacceptable social behavior. Well, I would really find out what's going on in your own home. Hey, Swirlies. Love you dearly and I listen daily. I'm seeking advice because I recently started to make and share content on social media in the hopes that it would become a side hustle and a stream of income. I'm having so much fun with it and I'm seeing some growth and traction. The only problem is my husband hates it. He doesn't use TikTok. He thinks it's all a waste of time and cringe. He hates taking my OOTD videos of me when we're going on date night, aka the times that I look the cutest.

1:06:15Every time I ask, it turns into a fight and I get disappointed by him. He's really a very sweet and loving husband, so this is truly his only flaw. Am I being unreasonable for asking slash expecting him to help me with my content and to be enthusiastic about this new passion project? Or should I respect his POV and capture content on my own time and not involve him sincerely a fellow Instagram thirst monster this is really tough because you're that there's no worse feeling than that like going out you're looking cute I used to like ask Zach to take a picture of me and he always did it willingly but like the picture's bad or like I don't like what he's doing it ruins the night before it's even started it's true and you're telling me he doesn't

1:06:42even want to do it like that is just a bummer I don't think he's like totally wrong for not like always wanting to be the cameraman. Like not everyone is like about that, but he shouldn't make you feel so bad. And like, that's like not right, but get a tripod. You should continue to do what you're doing. Don't let him stop you. If asking him for help is like turning into a bummer, like there's a tripod is fantastic. Yeah. like do the content on your own before you leave for date night I do understand like having content ruining a nice night it doesn't sound like that's exactly just like has a problem with you doing this and I have a problem with him having a problem but like if you weren't asking him for help with anything like would he

1:07:16care at all that you're doing this like would he be more supportive it's just the fact that he doesn't like actually doing it the funny thing about this is I think it actually happens a lot with women who want to do social media like on the side. And it isn't until they start like earning money, sometimes more money than their husbands, that the husbands stop being like such fucking haters. So you could like continue to prove to him and like bring home your big checks and it will change his demeanor. I do think like you're both sort of right and wrong. He's mostly wrong. But when someone's on a date night think like you're both sort of right and wrong. He's mostly wrong. But when someone's on a date night and like you're just doing a million pictures before, it does.

1:07:50It's annoying as fuck. Like it is. And I want your husband to support you. And it's also annoying when you're trying to take a picture and like put yourself out there on the internet. And the person is a curmudgeon. Like you're both right and you're both wrong. I completely agree. And if he's not on the internet at all, like doesn't know about any of this. And he's just like week seven and his wife is just like on the phone like yeah it's confusing you know yeah i do so i don't think he's a bad guy or anything no and but it's a bummer for you and you're obviously like very driven and excited by this and i think there are ways that you could do it without him not even because like for anything it will make it easier for you you do not have to deal with

1:08:24his mood because also if you're like every time he needs to make it easier for you to not have to deal with his mood. Cause also if you're like, every time he needs to take a picture of you, like it becomes a fight, you're going to do less content. Yeah. And then you're like not smiling for real. And like, I mean, there's nothing that it's a highlight reel picture and you're just like the story behind the picture in the moment. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Our third and final. Hey, Asheray sisters. I have now had two best friend friendships come to an end due to these individuals not liking my husband. While there are many reasons to not like someone's significant other, neither of these girlfriends of mine really had a like to stand on in their dislike for him.

1:08:54The complaints of him being so minuscule and based on almost nothing. Both friends thought that we could make it out on the other side with our friendship unscathed even after calling my husband names and picking apart his character. I drew my boundary and I let them know that wouldn't be the case and our friendships have ended. I'm now wondering if these girls were the problem or if I'm just too rigid in my boundary setting. I don't play about my husband and I won't let people unjustly tear him apart. Do I need to just let these things go or did I do the right thing by defending my husband's honor? Well, you've given us no information, so unfortunately we can't help you. The fact that she won't tell us what the girls said about her husband is a huge red flag.

1:09:27And she's saying that what they said is so minuscule. So what is it? Then she also said that they tore him apart. Well, of course, if someone's tearing your husband apart, of course, you can't be friends with them. Complaints were based on nothing. I'm sorry. Almost nothing. So they tore him apart based on almost nothing? I am skeptical to help you because I'm worried that maybe your husband sucks. I know, I can't help you because I have no information. And the fact that you gave no information is alarming to me. But what you have told me, I feel like you don't even see the issue clearly. Because you can't, on the one hand, it's nothing. You didn't even write it to us. On the other hand, they've torn your husband your husband apart well what are we talking about then we're gonna

1:10:09need an update with what the issues are we're gonna need a resubmit although if i had to guess the omission of the husband's critiques tell me everything i kind of need to know yeah and i will say like just on its face like if someone's coming for your husband like I'm the type of person like your husband is your family like that's you ride for your husband but if two friends coming from a good place like have something to say. That's different. And you're like writing them off completely and then you won't even tell us what they are. I am worried about you like I am. But I don't know what sorts of friends really think that they can come to you to talk shit about your husband with something that's not like a grave concern and it doesn't sound like they were coming like to talk

1:10:48shit it sounds like they were like coming from a place of concern they know they just like don't like him and they have like minuscule criticisms about what are they character don't be shy if anybody if a friend had a minuscule criticism about my husband's character they would not tell me that yeah somebody's not adding up in your story but i love you rooting for you and we wish you the best and thanks for writing in thanks to everybody resubmit resubmit try again thank you guys so much for listening to the toast the money morning show we deliver the past five stories you need to know every monday through friday on youtube so if you're watching us on youtube please feel free to subscribe and give us video thumbs up we're also available as a podcast anywhere podcasts

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