Does Kurt Metzger think AGI is real? — Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell on Joe Rogan Experience

No. Kurt Metzger told Joe Rogan that AI is a useful tool, one he uses to make music videos, but that artificial general intelligence is not real. He points to supposed AI products that turned out to rely on people, such as Amazon's Just Walk Out checkout, which a report read on air said relied on hundreds of workers in India. Duncan Trussell disagreed and called advanced AI a mind that is programming itself.

Joe Rogan countered that a staffed grocery store says little about the frontier AI models labs are building.
Metzger says artists attack his AI videos over water use, and a report read on air said a book on data-centre water had overstated one figure about 1,000 times.

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“I said AGI is not real.” Kurt Metzger · at 1:48:10 — open in the transcript →

Source: our own transcription of the episode. The full conversation is on The Joe Rogan Experience (2026-10-23). Read the whole episode summary →

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