JRE MMA Show #188 with Paddy Pimblett

0:00the Joe Rogan experience finally my man what's happening how are we nice to be here we might need subtitles for this episode ladies and gentlemen if you're only listening please go to Spotify perhaps I'll throw some that Liverpool accent is thick bro I'll never forget when I fought when I fought Gagey and Song Yedong was coming to the event on the embedded and I had Song Yedong talking no subtitles English is a second language and then it cuts to me and I'm talking it's got subtitles underneath I'm like English is my first language actually English from England yeah the real English oh it's crazy but a lot of people just can't understand me that's mad well I can understand you I mean I've been over

0:55England many times I guess but it is it's thick it's a cool accent though out of all the English accents Liverpool's one of the coolest I love my accent know what I mean I wouldn't change it for nothing. How long have you been in America? Now. I got here... Oh, just today? I got here Sunday night. Whenever you get somewhere, do people try to feed you? Is that like the first thing they try to do? You get fed a lot in America. Portion sizes are great though. I love the portion sizes the thing with me is the one thing that kills me is Coca-Cola really? that's what gets you? yeah Coca-Cola's my favourite drink on the planet it is cherry Coca-Cola or Mexican Coke in a glass bottle that's my favourite drink

1:42and when you're in America and you go out for a meal it refills so I have that much coke left and the waiter will come over take it and put a fresh one down and I feel like it's rude not to drink that they just put a full one down it's rude not to drink it do you ever like what is the heaviest you've ever gotten to the heaviest I've ever got was like 210 something like that but I was fat after which fight was that heaviest you've ever gotten to? I think the heaviest I've ever got was like 210, something like that. Whoa. But I was fat. You know what I mean? Like a creature's auntie. After which fight was that? It's only ever when I'm in America. Really? That's when I go, that's when I go big.

2:15It is. If I go other places or to stay at home, I never get that big. But, I got big, I think the highest I got after a four Justin was like 205 I think that's the highest I get to now like 205 but if I die for a week I'm right back down to 195 oh really yeah because let's say it's just like loads of salt and sugar in my body if I die for a week I get back down we have terrible food over here but it tastes great it tastes great but our food is poison but it tastes great. It tastes great. It tastes great. But our food is poison. But it tastes marvellous. It's just filled with sugar and preservatives and all kinds of shit that keeps you eating it. It makes you addicted to it, but it's not good for you.

2:59I'm not big on the chocolate or the crisp. Oh, no, I like them ruffles, them crisp. Well, chips, you used to call them yeah them ruffles are good but I'm not big on like the snacks over here really snacks in England are better I think they are yeah really like chocolate bars chocolate bars are better than the UK well apparently some of our chocolate isn't even really chocolate yeah it's not chocolate anymore it's like made in a lab basically yeah I've seen the videos I saw that I was like what I don't know what companies are making shit chocolate, but... But if you get like a real legitimate like artisan chocolate bar, you go, what is this? Yeah. You go, oh, this is what real chocolate tastes like.

3:35Like I don't like dark chocolate though. Oh, really? Yeah. I love dark chocolate. It's too... Like we have one in the UK called Bourneville. I love dark chocolate and Skippy peanut butter. I take a big old jar of peanut butter and a big, big bar of chocolate, and I just break it off in there and scoop it out. Yeah, I do that with Nutella. Oh, that's good too. I get a chocolate bar and just dip it in Nutella and just have a bite. That's like double chocolate. Chocolate on chocolate. Yeah. Chocolate assassination. Yeah, it's unbelievable. So you're here in America. You obviously must be coming to the fights this weekend, right? chocolate assassination. Yeah, unbelievable. So, you're here in America.

4:08You obviously must be coming to the fights this weekend, right? You're not? No. You're not going to Madison Square Garden? No. How come? I was filming and I was there yesterday. I was in the PI, well, the Apex yesterday filming stuff with Meta and then I'm here today and then I fly home tonight. Oh, really? And then I get home 10 a.m. tomorrow and then I'm flying to Dubai and then I fly home tonight. Oh, really? And then I get home 10 a.m. tomorrow, and then I'm flying to Dubai on Thursday. Oh, wow. What are you doing in Dubai? Family holiday with my wife and my kids. Oh, that's nice. But one of my teammates is actually fighting on Saturday, so I'll probably go and watch him. I think there's some sort of a ceasefire with Iran.

4:40Is that true? I read that today, that something, that it's over. No. No. I have no idea. Depends on whose tweets you're reading. But I'm saying, like, Dubai is a little sketchy. Yeah, we was literally after a 4KG. I went to the Maldives. I went to Oman before that. Oman was a lovely country. I had a great week there, and I went to the Maldives I went to Oman before Oman was a lovely country had a great week there and then went to the Maldives and we were due to fly home and then all that started happening and we were meant to fly back through Abu Dhabi and we got stuck on this island in the Maldives for like another five days oh that's listen if you're going to get stuck no if you're going to get stuck

5:20anywhere if the Maldives is the place pretty nice but then we were meant to go to Dubai in the April and obviously because of all that we nice. But then we were meant to go to Dubai in April. And obviously because of all that, we had to cancel it and just go to Tenerife. But now we're going. Hopefully nothing happens all day. Damn, it's crazy that you're here and you're going to leave before the UFC. Like the Madison Square Garden UFCs are special. I've only ever been one. When Rose beat Zangwe and Usman fought Cobbington. Went Chandler fought Gagey as well that night. I think that was not long after my debut in, like, 2021. That's the only MSG I've been to. It's a special place. I want to fight there at some point, like, definitely.

6:01Oh, fuck yeah. But I'm going to leave it for now. Taxes are a bit heavy in New York. Yeah, if that happens, taxes, is that what happens? You get hit up with big taxes? I get taxed twice, don't I? Ooh, that's right, because I get taxed twice when I go to Canada. I get taxed, obviously, in America and then get taxed again when I get back to the UK. Oh. Killer. These evil, rotten cunts. Just thieving cunts. They're 80 bastards taking the money you've earned. I can't understand how they, how can they do that? How can they tax a man twice? That is so criminal. And they just can't. There's nothing you can do about it. Exactly. There's nothing you can do about it. Okay. Just fuck me. Take me money.

6:42Just fuck me. Just gotta get on with it. Yeah. Let's go go That's brutal I didn't even think about it that way So you'd much rather fight in the UK Right? Is Vegas okay? Vegas doesn't tax you twice I like fighting in Vegas Do they tax you twice? The taxes are nowhere near as high are they But I'd love to fight in Abu Dhabi Yeah That'd be Great Do they have low taxes? I think it's But I'd love to fight in Abu Dhabi. Yeah. That'd be great. Do they have low taxes? I think it's lower next to nothing, especially compared to some other places. They don't need your money. Yeah. They got plenty of money. New York is just a massive fucking vacuum cleaner of money. But it's still awesome. There's something about being in Madison Square Garden.

7:27I'm a firm believer that buildings have memory. I really think they do. Because there's something about New York, especially Madison Square Garden. You go into that building, you feel the memory of all the things that have happened in that building. That building's a special building. Yeah, no matter what, before I retire, I'm going to make sure I fight there. No matter what. Yeah, you got to. Yeah, I'm going to fight there 1 million percent. You can't not fight there. Out of all the places in the world, I think that's the number one. That's the number one place. Like, if I was a fighter, I would want to fight there. It'd be number two for me, like. What's number one? Anfield. Oh, yeah. Liverpool Stadium.

8:04Yeah, oh, my God. That would be incredible. Yeah. That would be next level. what's number one Anfield oh yeah Liverpool Stadium yeah oh my god that would be incredible yeah that would be next level oh you could do it I know I could do it it's just the UFC doesn't like doing stadiums and especially with the English weather I can't yeah I can't blame them but you know what if you figure it out and put some kind of roof over the octagon yeah that's all you need over the octagon give everybody umbrellas no scouts that would care if it was raining on them believe me they'd all be going bananas no matter what probably make it better yeah be more exciting if you want give it even more of an atmosphere

8:36everyone soaked with rain and screaming their heads off especially if you did in the summer where it's not too cold you know it's raining June's you'd have to do like because the football season's on until May. You'd have to be, like, June, July. Oh, that's totally doable. Yeah. Yeah. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is presented by the movie Ghost Soldier. Jim Caviezel plays Fitz, a former American Special Forces soldier and advanced weapons developer who defends the defenseless. As a military veteran, Fitz has a strong code of justice and a natural instinct to protect a vulnerable community from a powerful corporation that wants to take their land no matter the consequences. Ghost Soldier is a fun action film that demands to be seen in theaters,

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11:44mad situation, isn't it? Yes. Obviously, it all depends on what Justin's doing. Well, before Volkanovski beat Ivloev, there was a lot of talk about Armin. Armin just knocked out Rufy. It was an amazing fight. There was talk that Armin deserves it. Armin should be fighting Justin. But now I hear Dana talking a lot about Volkanovski, and Volkanovski says that's what he wants. If they do that, the one good thing is that's it. Justin's going to retire. Volkanovski's going to retire. So it opens up two divisions. And your division now, it's basically just you and Armin left and Ilya. Those are the three. I think it all depends if Charles wins as well, doesn't it? Because if Charles beats Lopez, he's obviously in the mix.

12:37That's true. Well, he does still have the BMF title. Yeah, so that's true. He's in the mix as well. But, you know... Volkvist just doesn gonna be a great fight like it would the big money fight is obviously you and ilia that's the big money fight yeah it's probably one of the biggest fights the ufc can make yes even without a belt on the land without a doubt yeah that that is bigger than most fights with a belt probably is yeah yeah especially Probably is. Yeah. Yeah. Especially, you know, when now you take into consideration Ilya's performance against Justin. We looked fantastic for the first couple rounds. But then Justin won and stopped him. And then you managed to—I rewatched that fight last week with you and Justin.

13:21It was a very close fight. It was a lot closer than people remember. And when you think about the amount of experience that you gain from a fight like that, and then you come back after that fight, and that fucking choke that you put on Benoit Saint-Denis, I've been messing around with that. I have these grappling dummies in my, you know what I mean? Shout out to Uriah Faber. He gave me one. It's a robot. And you choke its neck and its neck lights up. It's got a little light on it. Have you seen that thing? I've seen them, yeah. That's pretty cool. But the way you did that and rolled with it, so when you started and then you wrapped your legs around him on the top, and I was thinking the amount of pressure, like from here, here,

14:04are you calling this the padlock or the pad tie what do you call this I'm calling that the pad tie because what I've done to Jordan Levy I'd already called that the padlock okay so it's like a Peruvian necktie but like the pressure you've got on him with your leg over the top of his back as soon as he rolled him and faced down he was out. Like, that's what I think I've seen. It's like the second fastest dash in UFC history. It was phenomenal. And it was two seconds slower than the next one, but he's already out there, so it's faster than them. I forget who called this. It was either Dean Thomas or it might have been Brendan Shaw, but one of my friends called this. They said, he's going to shoot on Paddy,

14:47and Paddy's going to catch him. I was saying it all week. I said it. I done a podcast with DC the week before, the Sunday before, when I started water loading, and I literally said to him, he's going to come out, and he's going to shoot. Because if you watch all his fights, I'm a big thing on studying people and seeing what they do. And we have a lad in our gym, Karl Manfield, he'll make a breakdown video for us, and as soon as he gets it, head kick, shoot. Yeah, it goes backhand shoot or head kick shoot. If you watch all of his fights, he does that. And I knew he was going to do it, and I knew he'd try and power out. But I'll be honest, I didn't know if I'd catch that. I thought I'd just get the skill of team right away,

15:26but he was strong. Don't get me wrong, he was very strong in BSD. So when he tried to power out of it, I ended up just getting the position. And I've never done that submission before. Really? Never done it. I've just done it on the fly. Really? You never did it in practice or anything? Oh, that's incredible. Well, you've recognized. I've never really done a Peruvian necktie before. No kidding? And I've done one, me and Paul, we went over it like four weeks out from the fight in the gym. I remember. Because after it, in the cage after it, when Paul came in, he was like laughing his head off going, the way we done that Peruvian necktie the other week and it just happened. Like we done so much, we've done so much,

16:05I've done so much work leading up to that for so many different things like defending on the wall and I've done so much wrestling in the build up to that fight and I'll never forget Paul sitting in the back after it, Paul coming up to me and going, all the work we've done for that, we could have just dicked around with guillotines for 10 minutes. And I just burst out laughing isn't that funny when something plays out that well yeah Benoit's a hard man I knew he wouldn't tap I was saying before I was saying in interviews and stuff he'll go unconscious 100% I knew he wouldn't tap he's not like that you know what I mean he wouldn't tap he'd go asleep and he did he went out on his shield got nothing but respect for him for it

16:44I felt bad for him for it. I felt bad for him after it, you know what I mean? Seeing videos of him looking up at the replay, he had tears in his eyes. It makes you feel bad but it's kill or be killed, isn't it? Live by the sword. I mean, that guy's a warrior, like a literal warrior, an actual warrior, you know, like a guy who fights in war. He's a hard man. Yeah, he is. He's not going to tap. No, definitely not. He's going to tap from the get-go. He's done it to people, it'll, you know, like a guy who fights in war. He's a hard man. Yeah, he is. He's not going to tap. No, definitely not. He said that from the get-go. He's done it to people. It'll, you know, he'll do it to someone again, I'm sure.

17:11Well, isn't that fight a very good fight? He's fighting Salkid, isn't he? Ooh, that's a good fight. I think that's a very good fight. Salkild is a bad motherfucker. He is. I like watching him fight. He's good. He's exceptional. Yeah, he's exceptional. Boy, that division is on fire right now. Yeah, it is. It's like watching him fight. He's good. He's good. He's exceptional. Yeah. Yeah, he's exceptional. Boy, that division is on fire right now. Yeah, it is. It's interesting how that happens. Like, divisions have lulls and then great periods where it seems like right now it's one of the greatest periods of all time for the 155-pound division. I think it's always been, like, the most watched and most exciting division.

17:41I think it always has. I just think it's because of, like, the weight we are. it's like more like the average human person isn't it as around there's more yeah there's more more elite athletes and then you think about it more people that are coming from kickboxing and wrestling but like that's there's a lot more kickboxers and wrestlers that are roughly in that weight class yeah so you get these elite athletes from these other sports that enter into mma you know it's just it's a phenomenal weight class like So you get these elite athletes from these other sports that enter into MMA. You know, it's just, it's a phenomenal weight class. Like, especially right now. Yeah, when I first started watching MMA,

18:13it was like BJ Penn. You know what I mean? And like Diego Sanchez and that. What year did you first start training? 2010. 2010, that's wild. 16 years. Yeah. More than half my life now wow what was your first discipline? MMA just right into MMA no kidding the gym I still train at now is the gym I walked into that's incredible because your jiu jitsu is so good I assumed that you had a jiu jitsu background first that was the one thing I took to straight away jiu jitsu like the first class That was the one thing I took to straight away, Jiu-Jitsu. The first class I ever walked into was a kid's class, and I'd never done anything before. I remember wrapping a guillotine on someone, and the two lads who were the coach in the class went like,

18:56you know what I mean? It was like, he's doing a guillotine there. He's never even been shown one. But that was just off watching it on the telly. It's amazing how much you learn watching on TV. It really is. That was like I started doing stuff just off watching it on the telly. It's amazing how much you learn watching on TV. It really is. That was like I started doing stuff just off watching things, and then obviously I started signing, and as soon as I started signing, I was like, this is what I want to do. Wow, right away. Yeah. It's amazing that there's such a wealth of gyms across the world now that we're seeing people from everywhere. We're seeing people from gyms across the world now that we're seeing people

19:25from everywhere. We're seeing people from all corners of the world that come into the UFC already with elite skills. It is. I can never see anything that they like. About 10 years ago, there was only like all the champions were from like either Russia, Brazil or America. And now, they're just everywhere. Everywhere. Like, Australia's big in the MMA world now. Obviously, the UK, we've had a few champions. Well, when Ilya came out of Spain, that was the first guy that we'd ever seen from Spain that was at that level. We were like, whoa, what's going on over here? It's fascinating, you know, because I say it all the time, but it really is true. Martial arts have evolved more in the last 33 years

20:10since the UFC emerged than it has in the last 33,000 years. Yeah, definitely. 100%. 100%. Like, that's what I always say with our sports. Like, when I first started watching it, you could just be a world-class kickboxer or a world-class wrestler or a world-class jiu-jitsu practitioner. You didn't have to be good at anything else. You could be one-dimensional and still become a world champion. Now you can't. You have to be well-rounded or you will get beat. 100%. Yeah, 100%. This is a different world. The levels too. I think the new thing is going to be you have to be able to switch stances. I think that's the new thing. I like switching stances, to be honest, so it works for me. Yeah, it's so important.

20:55It really is. Because when you face an elite calf kicker, like I was watching some sparring footage online of Volkanovski was sparring Nico Carrillo. You know, that guy from One, the elite kickboxer. Do you know him? I don't know if I was talking about him. I got him about two hours ago. Bad motherfucker. He's a bad motherfucker. Weird the way you just mentioned him. I was literally talking about him like two hours ago. Think DraftKings isn't available in your state? Think again. The cage is set, and DraftKings keeps the full card at your fingertips in one sports app live in all 50 states. Once the cage door closes, everybody has a pick. DraftKings keeps you close to the pay-per-view card from the first walkout to the final horn.

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22:23via click-to-claim for 21 days. One non-withdrawable reward redeemable. Terms at DKNG.co slash offer. Limited time offer. Nationwide based on sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability. Varies by state. He is a bad man. He's a bad man. And I was watching, this guy was breaking it down. I wish I could remember the gentleman's name, but he was breaking it. It might have been Jack Slack, but he was breaking it down. And it was just showing all the ways that he's setting up calf kicks and setting up positions and just breaking down all those things. And, like, if you get a guy who is a really good calf kicker and you are only orthodox and that's all you can do and you get that left calf smoked, you're fucked.

23:04It's so crazy how that one thing sort of changed the whole game if you get your calf smoked now it's not like a leg kick like a thigh kick yeah it hurts like hell but guys can survive that and still perform at a pretty high level it's mad how that just started happening like who was the first person to throw a calf kick I thought that it was Benson Henderson but then It's mad how that just started happening Like who was the first person to throw a calf kick? I thought that it was Benson Henderson But then someone said that it might have been Cub Swanson That Cub Swanson might have been the first guy That started hurting people with calf kicks Obviously no one done it Years ago it's come in like the last five or six years

23:40Not only that but the Muay Thai guys used to say That that won't work in muay thai that that is only good for mma because mma guys aren't good at checking kicks and they're not good at like staying line like that's not true anymore because now yuki yoza do you know who that guy is no yuki yoza is a bad motherfucker this japanese cat that just destroys people's legs he's a kyokushin guy. Yeah. And he, every combination is chopping at your calves. Inside, throwing punches, inside low kick, outside, outside low kick. It's constantly, every combination is ending with a calf kick or a low kick. And you're seeing these Thai guys who have 115 fights and their fucking legs are smoked like halfway into the first round.

24:25Yeah, that's the thing with a car kick as well. You can be in very close range and still land it. Yes, exactly. Like with one on the thigh, you've got to be out a little bit and use your range. I like throwing them from range, though, to be honest. I like using my range when I land a car kick. Well, you did a fantastic job against Bobby. Yeah. Bobby Green, you neutralized him within the first couple minutes or first minute or so of the fight, just with those kicks. Yeah, with that one, I think, obviously, Bobby's got phenomenal boxing. You know what I mean? Yes. His combos and his timing and his speed are brilliant. So with that, it was when you're on the feet, use your range. I knew I was bigger than him.

25:01Yeah. Try and kick him, teeps, calf kicks, head kicks, keep him on the end of your range, and it worked perfect. I don't think I even got than him. Yeah. Try and kick him, teeps, calf kicks, head kicks, keep him on the NGO range and it worked perfect. I don't think I even got punched in that fight. No, you didn't. Well, you, like I said, you neutralized him pretty quickly. You fucked up his movement pretty quickly and he's got such a weird style because when his hands are down, you don't know where anything's coming from. Just comes from all mad angles. And he's talking shit to you. Everyone thought that he shot in in that fight as well when he never had kicked his leg and his leg come out.

25:29Right. And it was either for him, it was either try and grab my leg and get on top or go on all fours and me take you back. So we was stuck between a rock and a hard place, really. Yeah, it's amazing to me that your jiu-jitsu's that good and you didn't just start with jiu-jitsu. Because generally when someone's that good on the ground, I assume that they had a big competitive jiu-jitsu career first and then got into MMA. That was the first things I'd done. Obviously, because I started when I was 15, I'd done a couple of grappling tournaments first. They were the first things I'd done. I remember winning a couple of kids divisions but then when i turned 16 like two months after my 16th birthday i had my first fight

26:13i took her on like a week's notice for the lad who was 24 when i was 16. wow and our rules back then was knees to the head just the only real change was no elbows that was the amateur rules back to the head on the ground no knees to the head stand no knees to the head just the only real change was no elbows that was the amateur rules back then knees to the head on the ground? no knees to the head standing no knees to the head standing ground and pound knees to the head standing it was just no twist on leg locks they were the only thing no elbows no twist on leg locks no heel hooks then? but you could do a knee bar? you could do a knee bar and straight ankles and stuff but they were the only

26:41that was the only real change you know what I mean and took that on a week's notice and won that by decision and i remember getting like me and raising just being like this is the best feeling in the world this is what i'm gonna do i mean i just i just knew from that point on that's amazing well england has an amazing scene there's an amazing scene in england you want to see some of the kids in our gym mod yeah i've got kids in our gym who are like 6, 7, 8, who are in every night doing jiu-jitsu and doing MMA. And then now we've got a load of youngsters who train with the pro team in the morning who are like 14, 15, 16, 17. They're all like IMF world and European champions. Wow. Like they've already had like 15, 20 fights, some of them,

27:27and there are about 17. That's incredible. It's madness. I'm a big fan of Cage Warriors. Yeah, Cage Warriors, as I always say, is the best show in Europe by a mile. Yeah, it's an amazing event. And the level's so high. Yeah, if you want to get in the UFC and you're in Europe, you need to sign with Cage Warriors. Yeah. Like, I've got most of my teammates fight on Cage Warriors. We're doing Friday night, Saturday night show at the end of the month, 27th, 28th, in Manchester. And across the two nights, we'll probably have about 10 to 12 pros on it. That's on UFC Fight Pass, right? Yeah, yeah, it's on Fight Pass. Yeah, I always encourage anybody, if you're a fight fan, get UFC Fight Pass. And if you want to watch who's coming up,

28:09Cage Warriors, the level of the top guys is UFC level. Yeah, it is. 100%. And on that, that's the big difference I see with Cage Warriors and other shows in Europe and obviously around the world. People get to like 10, 11, 12 and 0, but the fighting taxi drivers, the fighting absolute crabs who don't deserve to be in the cage, where cage warriors, you don't fight people like that. You get every single fight to test. I lost more fights in cage warriors than I've lost in the UFC. I know I was younger and I was coming up, but I got tested just as much in cage warriors as I have in the UFC, and that's the same with all my teammates now. There's a load of my teammates who are on cage warriors who are going to be in the UFC.

28:53Like Nathan Fletcher's already been in the UFC. He got cut, but he got one of his fights. He got robbed on a decision. I know he'll be back. Adam Cullen, who's my weight class, he'll be in the UFC. Connor Wilson, who's a flyweight, he'll be in the UFC. Connor Wilson, who's a flyweight, he'll be in the UFC. Joe Fields, um, Lonnie Kavanagh. Lonnie Kavanagh's London. Yeah. But he was cage warrior as well, champ. Like, if you look at all the fighters who've come from cage warriors to the UFC, Yes. most of them, 80% of them, stay signed. Yep. Just keep fighting. Christian Leroy Duncan, Lonnie, me, Luke Riley Modestus there's a load more though we might have just gone blank but there's a load more there

29:35obviously Aspinall had a fight on Cage Warriors as well but if you compare that with like other shows in the UK and Europe most of them people are having one or two fights and getting cut. At the top it's UFC level. There's so many guys there that are just you watch them fight and you're like those are legit elite skills. That's very important. To have a place like that in England where you guys have UFC level competition and then you're already used to fighting guys that have elite skills and so as you said you entered the UFC it's not a big shock in terms of the skill level they're actually doing cage where he is Spain next year oh wow yeah there's a lad who he was main event the other night

30:17I'm terrible with names but he comes and trains with us his name is Mo but he was main event on cage where he is the other night if you could get his name up I just call him Mo though because he comes to gym he spars with me he trains with me and like he's Spanish I think he's like nine and one or something like that and he's good lad he's a welterweight and he's a I think he'll end up winning Cage or his belt and getting signed but it's funny because he trains with us everyone always asks him oh earlier Paddy earlier Paddy and he's like oh that's a rock and a hard place for him It's funny because he times with us, everyone always asks him, oh, Ilya Paddy, Ilya Paddy, and he's like, oh. That's a rock and a hard place for him.

30:51How did this feud with you and Ilya start? It started because of that, what was the fighter who got cut? The Georgian, Giga. Giga Jakadze. It started because of him. He just tweeted something when I first got signed. And I was there, Giga. Giga Djukadze. Started because of him. He just tweeted something when I first got signed. And I was there, tweeted back. I was very young and immature then. I was 26, but I was about 16 in the head. And I was 25 or 26, and I started having mad with him. And I said, you look like a fake Russian. Yeah, because he had the beard and no hair. He looked like a Dagestani. And he took proper offence to me, and I was like, oh, this Russian shout's working. And I said, shut up, lad,

31:37just because you get terrorised by Russians. And then I went to bed, and I woke up the next morning to the most hate mail I've ever had in my life. I was like, what's going on here? He only said something. And then people are saying that I'm talking about a war. Know what I mean? Like, Anilia still says to this day, he talks about kids getting bombed. Lad, we don't get taught in our schools about Georgia and Russia going to war, you know? Right. I had no idea that he'd had a war. No idea in the slightest. And he still says to this day that that's what I was talking about. Oh. In Liverpool. Like, if someone's bullying someone, we'll say, oh, you're getting terrorised there. Right. The word terrorised in Liverpool has nothing to do with war.

32:19It's just like, oh, you're getting the piss out of you there. Right. And I was just taking the piss out of him. Also, because you say terrorised out of you there. Right. And I was just taking the pistol out of him. Oh, so because you say terrorised and you were talking about Russia and you were talking about Georgia, I think they just assumed. When I didn't know that they'd be into war. Oh, wow. In fact, it wasn't Giger. By my lying, Giger, it was Sam, the sponsor of Giger. It was Goran. Goran cut a lad's eye. Oh. It was him. Okay. Yeah, because Giger hasn't been cut. But it was like, I ended up speaking to Giga about it at a UFC show and he was cool about it. I said to him, lad, I didn't have no idea.

32:52And he's like, I understand. A lot of people didn't know. Giga was so cool about it. And I was thinking, why didn't, why wasn't Ilya like that? But the way I look at it now, Ilya used my profile to get himself bigger. Because at the time, no one knew who the fuck Ilya Teporia was. You know what I mean? He was taking fights at lightweight against Chai Eber. When, if you want to be featherweight champion, you don't do that. Well, he took that just as a short notice fight. That's what I mean. Yeah. And he'd done that probably just to be in the same place as me and try and start on me. Don't you think he just took it because it was a good fight? No. And they offered him money and he wants to be active?

33:29Definitely no. You really think it had to do with you? Really? All to do with me. People are going to call me a big-headed cunt and all that, but I'm not arsed. He got on that show because he knew I was, like, the main thing on that show, and he wanted to be there and bump into me. The funniest thing about that, when we bumped into each other, I just went, I'm going to go and warm my eggs up, boys. And, like, Ellis and that were like, wait there and bump into me. The funniest thing about that, when we bumped into each other, I just went, I'm going to go and warm my eggs up, boys. And like Ellis and that were like, wait there, I will come. And I was like, nah, I'm sorry, I'm just going to warm my eggs up.

33:53In London, went downstairs to the thing. Warm the eggs up? Yeah. What does that mean? Put my eggs in the microwave. Okay, I thought there was like a term. No, no, just going to warm my eggs. Just actually warming eggs in the microwave. So as I've put the eggs in the microwave, as I've popped it open got it out went to eat it and as I went to turn round and walk away Ilya's just come out of this double set of doors with about 14 people and I'm just like and he looked right at me and I'm thinking is this going to go off of you so I've just put my eggs down and it's been like the table wasn't this big but it was about half the size And he's come over And said something And I've just went What lad

34:28What are you going to do And he's half swung at me So I've just moved out the way There was an unsanitiser bottle there I've picked it up Threw it at him And then like The table got pushed We were all like that It was funny though Because one of I don't know if it was his manager Or someone tried to like Run around the side of the table And I've went like that to him and he just went and went back but someone grabbed him and we all got tinged over shouting at each other and I can remember my teammates after it being like lad are you messing why did you go downstairs on your own and I'm like lad I didn't know that was going to happen you know what I mean but it's a good job the rest of my teammates weren't there

35:01because it would have been a full scale brawl in the hotel like it ended up working out better that way that I was on my own because no one actually got hit and it ended up actually happening I just threw the hand sanitizer at him because he threw a punch at me but where he's only little with short arms he missed you know what I mean so was there words did he tell you I'm pissed off because you no well he'd said he'd put a tweet before it but as I say when all that tweeting shit was getting done I'm just tweeting back to can... No. Well, he'd said he'd put a tweet before it. But as I say, when all that tweeting shit was getting done, I'm just tweeting back to people. You know what I mean? I didn't even know who the fuck Elliot Aporia was.

35:32Really? Yeah, how the fuck am I meant to know who he is? He's just some little dickhead. I don't know who he is, lad. No one even knew who he was. And it just went from there. You know what I mean? Right. And then I think the next time we seen each other was, the next one, the press conference, when I fought Gordon, and he fought, he fought Bryce that night. I believe so. Yeah, I think that was the next time, I think so. That was the next time we seen each other, but then I was out for a year then, because I got injured in the Gordon fight, I was out for a year, and give him his due, he built up fast but as I said I don't think he would have been built up that fast if he didn't use my name for clout

36:10right well that's where we disagree yeah no I respectfully disagree you know what I mean it's at the end of the day using the name is one thing but that guy you've got to admit his skills I respect his skill set he is he's he's elite. His skill set's brilliant. I do, I respect him as a fighter. I just don't respect him as a person. Well, I think Georgians are very proud people. That's what I mean, though. Is he Georgian? Is he Spanish? Is he German? He's probably a little bit of all those things. That's what I mean. Pick one, lad. You can't be all three. Pick one. You can't be all three. Pick one. You can't be all three, lad. Are you Georgian? Are you Spanish? Or are you German? Because I reckon you've got a German passport

36:51because you were born in Germany. Right. So stop trying to get a fan base from three different countries. Well, he's Georgian descent, right? Yeah, his family are Georgian. Yeah, I think you're Georgian forever. Why does he walk out with a Spain flag, then? Well, I think he likes living in Spain. Oh, he just wants more fans. You think that's it? Yeah. Really? I've heard everyone in Spain is turning on him anyway. Everyone in Spain is saying that? Yeah, everyone thinks he's a fucking fake cunt. Oh, come on, really? No, as I say, I know people in Spain. You know what I mean? People are meant to be turning on him in Spain. Was this before he lost to Justin or now? There was little ruffles of it before

37:29he lost to Justin but then obviously it went worse since he lost to Justin. Once you lose, that's all the pussies. come out of the woodwork. They want to tear you down even further. Yeah, always. That's always, you can always see that. It'll be heavy if I fight him and he loses again then. He won't have any fans left. Oh. Well, that is the fight that has to be made. It does have to happen. It's been years in the making. It's also an exciting fight skill-wise. It's a very exciting fight. I love them kind of fights because I get counted out in them type of fights. And they're the fights I like. You know what I mean? When people don't think I'll win well if anybody looks at your performance with Justin

38:09and his fight with Justin and then you beating Benoit that way I don't know how anybody can count you out in any fight like with anybody in the 155 pound division you're a nightmare I am a weirdo I always say that you can't really train to fight me because I'm so strange. It's a very unusual style, but it's pretty fucking effective. The other thing that you fuck people up with, I think people have caught on now, but for a while, you were so jolly and having so much fun and dancing and all that stuff that people didn't take you seriously. But I was saying to a friend of mine, I said, this is what I want you to watch. I want you to watch his ring entrance and then watch his eyes once he gets inside the octagon.

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41:14Terms and limits apply. Go to Chime.com slash disclosures for more details. That's something that I say to myself when I'm walking out. I'm having the time of my life. I love it, you know what I mean? All the crowd, dancing with you, singing with you. Just, no, the only better feeling than that is when you get your hand raised at the end, you know what I mean? But when you get in there, and then your opponent gets in there, that's it. That's gone, then. It's all about him. The way I look at it when I get in the octagon is there's only two people in the world that matter, and it's him because he's trying to kill me, and the ref because he decides when this fight's finished. No one else on the entire earth of seven, eight billion people matters.

41:55It's only him and the fella who's going to decide whether the fight's finished. No one else matters, so you need to keep your eyes on him, and he's not going to sign it, yeah? So your eyes need to stay your eyes on him. And he's not going to try and hit you, so your eyes need to stay firmly focused on him. When did you develop that ability to be loose and silly but then super serious once you get in? Was that something you always had? I think, yeah, that's something I've always had, to be honest. Well, when I was younger, I had like nine amateur fights, went nine and no amateur, and then I was four and no pro, and then I lost my first fight, four and one. All them first 14 fights, I always walked out of rap music.

42:32And then when I lost, I switched it up to dance music. Because I was always, like I used to love partying, going out all the time, you know what I mean? And that was the sort of music I listened to. And a couple of fights, I had a couple of different songs and then I think it was when I got to like eight and one or something. That song, I got someone to make that song for me. I woke up to it. It's two different songs made into one. And I don't think, I'll never change it now. That's it. No, it's iconic now. It's like, there's certain things like when Frankie Edgar used to come out to's it. No, it's iconic now. It's like there's certain things, like when Frankie Edgar used to come out to Biggie.

43:08Yeah. There's certain, it just seems wrong. Or when Uriah Faber, he would come out to California. Yeah. It's like once, that's like who you are, you know? That's what I mean. Yeah. Do you know the story of Rory McDonald? No. What one? I've heard stories of Rory McDonald? No What one? I've heard stories about Rory This is the great story Rory McDonald used to have the weirdest fucking walkout music And you could see like the look on his face when he's walking out Like what the fuck kind of music is this? And everybody was like God Rory's got such weird taste in music Well it turns out Rory had changed his phone number And the UFC had his his phone number and the UFC had his old phone number. And so the guy who got Rory's new phone number turned out to be a

43:52fan. And so Joe, I think a Joe Silva or whoever it was from the UFC was texting this fucking guy and saying, what do you want your walkout music to be? And he was coming up with all these crazy songs. I absolutely love it. And then eventually they brought it up to Roy. He's like, that's not my number. He's like, nobody's been asking me at all. Roy is such a psycho. He never said, I need this music. He doesn't give a fuck. It's so funny. I mean, I think the guy did it for like four fights. How many fights did that guy pull that off for? It is one of the funniest things. It's very funny because you've got to imagine this guy being a UFC fan and then he realizes, holy fuck, I got Rory McDonald's old number.

44:40And then he manages to keep it. He doesn't say, hey, this isn't Rory. This is Bob. Can I get tickets? No, no,'t say, hey, this isn't Rory. This is Bob. Can I get tickets? No, no, no. This guy pretends he's Rory. Oh, shit. I mean, I got a list of the songs. I don't know exactly when it started, but it's on our Reddit thread. A lot of different songs we had here and what happened. Can't touch this MC Hammer. That's definitely where Rory McDonald, that one. I wonder when it changed. I was looking for the exact moment it changed. It could be all of them for all. I don't know. This is a 10-year-old thread. I wonder. Shout out to that legend. Whoever that man is. Who is the guy? I've had it where...

45:17I don't know here either. Look at this. A random person who inherited his phone number selected. That is such a great fucking story. I've had it when one of my last amateur fights, we were fighting basically on like a rival gym show and I was fighting someone from the rival gym and they changed my workout song. To what? I was going to come out to Eminem, go to sleep. and they changed it to like Sandstorm or something like that. And I was never stood in the back like, what's going on here? And my coach, Paul, was like, they've done that on purpose. They've changed the song. Don't worry about it. Just go out and win. And I did. Well, there's always going to be people fucking with you, especially the psychological aspect of MMA

46:02is such a huge factor because when people genuinely hate each other and they're thinking about their opponent all day long no matter what they do, first of all they're going to train harder, they're going to get more hyped but then they're also going to have more anxiety when they actually get to that moment for a lot of people I think that's a perfect example of Aldo against McGregor Yes Jose Aldo was so out of pocket by the time he got into the cage Aldo was so out of pocket by the time he got into the cage he was so emotional and so before if you look at Aldo's other fights look at his fights like Chad Mendes calm like an assassin but Conor is the best at that he gets into your fucking skin

46:43he wears it he climbs inside your head I think it would be brilliant to write on a season of the your head. I think it would be brilliant to write on a season of The Ultimate Fighter with Ilya. That would be insane. I reckon that would be, that would be marvellous, you know. I've heard talk about that online, but has anybody actually suggested that to you? No, someone, when I was in Vegas for George's Contender Series fight, George Staines, I just got, I think The Ultimate Fighter finale was that weekend. And he just asked me, like, what'saines. I just got, I think the Ultimate Fighter finale was that weekend. And he just asked me, what's your favorite season of the Ultimate Fighter? And my favorite season, Rampage of the Shard.

47:16Ooh, yeah. When I first started watching MMA. Call me a bitch. You a bitch. Call me a bitch. Make me a bitch. That was the season what was on as I first got into MMA. That season and season four with Nate Diaz, when I told my mum I was watching MMA, my mum and dad, that was the first MMA DVD they bought me. Season four of The Ultimate Fighter. Wow. Was that season five? I don't remember. It was Matt's set up in that way. How many seasons are there? There's about 30 or something now. The first DVD I got bought was the Nate Diaz season where he beat Manny Gambodian in the final do you know the story about Nate going to he won like 1500 bucks or 15,000 bucks and he went to a car dealership he had no idea

48:00how much cars cost and he was like fuck can't even get a fucking car but they just said like what's your favourite season and I said I think Rampage with Shard and I was like we need. Can't even get a fucking car. But they just said, like, what's your favourite season? And I said, I think Rampage of Shard. I was like, you need to get back to that. Like, now, obviously, I haven't watched one for three years. But, like, when it's, like, Chael and DC and Brisbane and DC, they're not going to fight each other. No one's that. Chael and Vanderlei was a good one, too. Yeah, that's what I mean. Three people who hate each other are going to fight each other. Like, you need ones like that. Like, even if I remember Brisbane and Mayhem Miller, that was a good one too yeah that's what I mean two people who hate each other and are going to fight each other you need ones like that

48:27even if I remember Bisbon and May M Miller that was a good season that was a great season that was a I can remember watching that one live that was a good season Chuck and Tito even though Tito didn't end up fighting ended up beating Rich Franklin Connor and Michael Chandler I didn't even watch that one oh it was a good one yeah but they didn't end up fighting and it's a fucking travesty that Chandler sat out for two fucking years waiting for that fight. I know. If I was his friend, I would have said, Michael, you cannot do this. It doesn't matter. You must stay active. You're elite, and you're 37 years old. You can't take two years off. At his age, you just can't do that. He was doing it for the McGregor payday.

49:06I understand. Why he done it. I understand, but he would have got that't do that. He was doing it for the McGregor payday. I understand. Why he done it. I understand, but he would have got that payday anyway. He would have still got that fight. Conor would have taken that fight. That's a good fight for Conor to come back to. Yeah. It's a solid fighter, tough guy, and not at the peak of his career. It's a good fight for Conor to come back to. And they fucking talked mad shit to each other it would have been wild and the way Chandler fights he's a mad dog and he just comes at you he is like he didn't I was surprised when he started to take me down were you really? yeah I didn't think I remember speaking to DC

49:42the week before and I was saying he's gonna I said to DC I could take him down and DC was like what? what? DC laughed at me and I was saying he's gonna I said to DC I could take him down and DC was like what what DC laughed at me because I was like no I'll take him down he was like he's division one wrestler I was like so I'll take him down and he was like no pad no that's not happening I was like we'll see but then when he come out and shot within like the first minute or two it was like wow I didn't expect that I just thought he was trying to come in and try and take my head off like he does with everyone you know what I mean I expected him to come out and try and put it on me I think by the time

50:13you had fought him he was look I'm a Chandler fan I love the guy as a person he's a great fighter I think his wars that he had before he got to the UFC people have never seen them have you ever seen Eddie Alvarez? Holy shit. They are absolute scraps. Fucking crazy fights. I mean, some of the best fights that Bellator ever put on were those two guys going after each other. They left a lot in that cage. And then, obviously, his war with Poirier, his war with Gagey. And I'd heard, I don't want to spread a rumor, but I'm going to. I'd heard he wasn't sparring much anymore and that he was just getting in condition and, you know. He's always in shape, like, you know what I mean? He's always in shape.

50:57Super disciplined. But that's where I'm the opposite to that. I spar twice a week. I love sparring. I love punching people in the face and getting punched in the face. I don't understand the way Holloway says he doesn't spar i'm like he did for gaethje like that's what i mean like he realized he had to spar when he fought gaethje i want you sparring for these fights like i feel like i need to spar to make sure i get my timing down and then i can actually hit people and like things stuff what you're doing on the pads doesn't always work when you're sparring someone right and you realize what's gonna work when you spar someone. Right, right. And you realize what's going to work when you spar.

51:27100%. But I am a weirdo. Like, I just love fighting. Well, look at Strickland. You know, Strickland spars constantly. Constantly. Pereira, too. Pereira spars constantly. Pereira spars this week. Pereira sparring this week. Yeah, don't do that. Video footage of him sparring some bare-knuckle guy this week. I would spar this week, but my coaches wouldn't let me. So I'll last sparring some bare knuckle guy this week I would spar this week but my coaches wouldn't let me so I'll last spar sparring like the Tuesday before so like 10 days out okay that's smart because bruises and bullshit and little things that can happen when Oliveira was meant to fight Islan the second time wasn't he sparring like the week before

52:04and that's how we got the cut uh huh yep that's just yeah got the cut? That's just wow. Obviously if we sparring that close as well we're wearing that guard. Oliveira comes from a crazy gym though. You know the history of shoot the box in the early days? You want to talk about a mad dog gym. Mad dog gym of fucking killers. Pele, Anderson Silva, Ninja, Shogun, Vanderlei. Fuck, man. Yeah, I used to love Shogun. Oh, all those guys were terrors. Terrors in pride. Yeah. In pride. That one team was terrifying. Shoot the box showed up, you're like, oh, fuck. Just mad animals. And Rafael Cordero's a phenomenal coach. Yeah. Such an elite coach see I think we should have some pride rules in the UFC I agree

52:52what are you thinking come on let's talk I think you should be able to knee on the floor I think so too and I think you should be able to kick on the floor just not stomp I sent this to a group chat that I have with Matt Serra John Rollo and Dean Thomas we have this podcast we do called Protect Your Neck, and we sent this group chat, and I was like, this is something that I think is wrong. Like, knees to the head on the ground, especially when you're not near the cage, is a completely legitimate move. I don't understand why it isn't. And there's places where people are stalling. Yeah, they stall and rest there. You can't stall there in a real fight. So why do we have this one position where in a real fight,

53:30it would never be able to, you'd never be able to do that. Yeah. Ever. So you're allowing like, one of the best techniques, if a guy's in a turtle position and you have head and arm, holy fuck, man, that's just game over. Yeah. You know, and those guys in pride, like Mark Coleman, you ever see Mark Coleman use knees from, Mark Hayes used to do it as well, didn't he? Oh my God. You give those guys that tool in pride like mark coleman you ever see mark coleman use knees from mark you should do it as well oh my god you give those guys that tool in pride when someone gets to a turtle position or when you get half car or you know when you're uh on side control on someone side control completely changes exactly because right now side control is like you don't see a lot of ground

54:01and you can't really get many shots from there either right so guys are either moving the mount or they're trying to set something up but man, you got the knees to the head are right there. I just think it should be legal. Knees to the head and soccer kicks but not stomps. I don't think stomps should be legal because your head's got nowhere to go. So once it hits the canvas it's got nowhere to go but soccer kicks, your head's got somewhere to go. Well, one tried doing that. I don't know if they still have soccer kicks. I think they might but what they would do is the referee, at least in the early days, used to be able to say whether someone's clear The one tried doing that. I don't know if they still have soccer kicks. I think they might.

54:32But what they would do is the referee, at least in the early days, used to be able to say whether someone's clear for a soccer kick. So they'd have to tell the fighter. And I think the stipulation might have been if they're near the cage. So this is my only point against soccer kicks and stomps and even knees to the head. If you're trapped. Yeah. If you're trapped yeah if you're trapped and you get stomped that's pretty up yeah because then you have this artificial environment this boundary that's the reason I don't agree with stomps because one if you stomp someone the head asked it's got no way to it's just hitting the floor bouncing right it's like like what Shogun used to do with soccer kicks, where he'd throw the legs and then kick them. I just think they should be legal.

55:08Did you ever see Melvin Manhoef versus Sakuraba? Melvin Manhoef had a lot of fights in Liverpool. He used to fight in the Olympia in Liverpool. Melvin Manhoef, he fought a scouser a couple of times, Paul Cahoon. He was a monster, man. He was a fucking monster. And he would come out with a dog collar on, just dancing around. And he was so powerful, man. He was such a freak. He was one of the first people that was finishing people with leg kicks, really. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah, he finished Mark Hunt with one punch. He knocked out Mark Hunt. You know how crazy that is? He was a middleweight as well. He's like 185. And he knocked out Mark Hunt, who's like 270 or something, especially in pride when they don't let you weigh whatever the fuck you want.

55:53Melvin was a monster. And he's another guy. Like, you know, you have Shoot the Box in Brazil. Mike's Gym in Holland is famous for, like, just ferocious assassins. You know, like so many of those guys. Badr Hari came out of there. Here it is. Boom. I mean, to knock out Hunt. Look at the size difference. Look at this. Boom. I mean, that is crazy. That just shows you how spectacular Melvin Manhoef was in his prime. He was so fun to watch, too, because he would come out with those gladiator shorts on, and he'd be dancing dancing and it just looked like he couldn't wait to fight. Just couldn't wait to get in there. See if you can find Melvin versus Sakuraba. That was a hard one to watch because...

56:38No, yeah, that was a crazy beatdown, wasn't it? Oh, but... Like, Sakuraba's a legend but he had too many of them. Yeah. Like, why did they make him fight Wanderlei four times? Look at his legs. Look how taped up his knees were. His knees were destroyed by then. Destroyed. The fact that he would go in there. Look at his knees. They're wrapped up like a fucking mummy. That's all like athletic tape, man. That's to keep his knees glued together. Yeah, so it doesn't pop out of place. All his ligaments and all his shit, everything was destroyed. His cartilage, his fucking meniscus is gone. He's got no knees, man. He's in there on adrenaline and heart and samurai spirit. Oh, this is terrible resolution.

57:19Someone film this fucking thing. This is like some 1960s footage. Film on a Motorola. Bro, he was so ferocious. He was so ferocious. He was so ferocious. By the time he got to Bellator, well, by the time he got to Strikeforce, Robbie Lawler knocked him out. That was a crazy one. The back end of his career, Dan Wernick. Yeah, you could only take so many of those. And the way he would fight, it was do or die. Like, someone's going to sleep, period. There's no decisions melvin man who fights it's just chaos and if it went to decision it was an accident you know they were they were chaos i'd love to do that though you know i'd love to just keep fighting keep running around until someone finishes someone i think that'd be sick do you think this is an

58:03interesting conversation um that came up the other day. Josh Barnett actually brought this up on Ariel Helwani's show. He said, I think that five minutes is too short. It's too short a round. In the old days of Pride, it was ten and two fives. Do you think that's better? I think all the rounds need to be the same length. Do you think they should maybe do, for a title fight, three ten-minute rounds? Yeah, that'd be good. That'd be all right, wouldn't it? That would be wild. Especially some of these guys. As long as you haven't got someone's back of the body triangle and he stands you up. That was crazy. That was the worst stand-up in the history of the sport. I love Dan Mergliata. He's a very nice guy.

58:47But he's a human, and all humans fuck up. Make mistakes, yeah. You just don't do that. I don't care if the crowd's booing. Let them boo. They're casuals. He's got his back. Is it the most exciting thing in the world? No. Still better than baseball. Stop. Stop. It's still better than baseball. No, if someone's got a body triangle on someone's back, you can't be standing them up. Listen. If my coach Paul said to me, that happened to you, I would have got kicked out of the arena yeah it it is insane is your work so hard to get to that position and it only takes half a second for them to move their neck or move their arm out of place and you've got the joke yes so like and it can happen yeah you know and you got to give a guy an opportunity to work. He also landed something like 50 punches from that position.

59:28So even though he didn't land anything that was, like, putting him in trouble, he was still active. He was still doing something. He was still doing this. He was still doing something. He was trying to – you know how it is. It's a battle. He's another fighter I love as well, to be fair, Moicano. He's great. He's great, lad. He's great on the mic too. Money, Moicano. He starts talking shit and giving you economic theory. He starts talking about economic's great, lad. He's great on the mic too. Money, boy, kind of. He starts talking shit and giving economic theory. He starts talking about economic theory on the podcast. You're like, yo, he's very smart. I can remember when he beat BSD, I was having a drink with my mates

59:59and we were just about to go into somewhere where there was DJs on and we stood outside with it on Fight Pass on our phone and I'm standing there with like eight of my mates and we're going, please mention me, please mention me, And then he mentioned me and we're all like that. Yes, he could be next. Was that, I don't know if it was after or before or for Chandler, it was a few years ago, but lad, we were like, yeah, it's all made up, celebrating, thinking, yeah, Mojcano's next. And then the fight just never ended up happening. This episode is brought to you by Perplexity. You've heard me say it all the time. Put it in Perplexity. It's what I use for research. You ask it a question, it gives you a straight answer and it shows you where it got the information

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1:01:33did he I was gonna say did he beat Ortega no Ortega beat him didn't he I think so I don't remember I'm just trying to figure out what fight it was I can remember obviously before I was in the UFC when I'd have a little bet on it I can remember I had like we called it an accumulator. He was called a parlay. I had like six fights. And it was when he fought Aldo. And I thought, he's the new lad coming up, Moicano, and I put Moicano on. He was the last leg. And then he got finished. I was like, oh. Aldo still Aldo. Yeah, no matter what, he's still there. He's still a bad motherfucker It's amazing How young he is I mean he just retired And a fight that I thought Did he lose to Cub? Who was Who was his last fight?

1:02:16No No What's his name? The Canadian Amir Al-Bazi Oh Right Right Yeah Zahabi Al-Bazi Yeah Amon Am, right, right, right. Yeah. Zahabi, Al-Bazi. Yeah, Ayman. Ayman Zahabi. Yeah, I thought he won that fight. It was close, but I thought he won that fight. A lot of people thought he won the Bautista fight, though, didn't they? A lot of people thought he won that one. Yeah. So, where are we at, Jamie? Where? So, yeah, Zahabi was the last one for Aldo. Like, it was years ago when he fought him, when he fought Montano. Because I was in Mexico for my wife, like, 21st. There it is. Right there. TKO punches in Brazil. He gets pretty fired up in Brazil. I was there in Brazil when he beat Chad Mendes, and he ran out of the cage and ran into the crowd.

1:03:04Yeah. Ran into the crowd. It was like dancing with all the people in the crowd. It was amazing. He's the king of Rio, man. But when he was on top, he was a bad man. He just was on top so young that when you look at him now, what's interesting is he struggled to make 45, and then when he got down to 35, they realized, well, he's elite at 35 still. You know? He was like one fight away from a title shot at 35. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible that, you know, these guys, they have to figure out what their frame is. And the way weight cutting is today, it's just very hard. Like Frankie Edgar during his prime, he didn't cut any weight. No. Which is wild. It was just crazy. Wild. Absolutely crazy, though.

1:03:48But I think that's why he was so durable, and he had some of the best conditioning as well conditions easily yeah yeah i remember watching that the first or the second gray maynard fight live but it was the second in the trilogy but the first title fight lad. The way he come back in that fight, everyone just thought it was over. And Gray Maynard was a bad motherfucker in his prime. Gray Maynard was an elite wrestler who had crazy power, like crazy, and really good boxing skills, and was aggressive. And he put it on, Frank, and I was like, oh, this is over. This fight's over. I couldn't believe it when he come back. I couldn't believe it. I was watching that live. Came back and stopped him. You're like, how?

1:04:29How? How did he survive? Because he got rocked in both fights, didn't he? In the first round? Yes. Well, Gray rocked a lot of people. Gray has serious power. And, you know, in his prime, he was a threat to anybody. He could catch you and you were fucked. And he was a big 55 for that time. Now it seems like the 50, like, you know, some of these guys are fucking huge. You're huge. and you were fucked and he was a big 55 for that time. Now it seems like the 50 pot, like, you know, some of these guys are fucking huge. You're huge. When I see you in there sometimes, once you've re-inflated, you know, I'm like, good Lord. Like, you're so much bigger than 155 when you fight. People think I'm lying

1:05:01when I get back in there, but I can never, when I, like, literally. Can I guess which you weighed? Yeah 180, 182? 190 190? Wow When like I weighed in the last one I weighed in at 156 was drinking all my liquids two hours later I was 170 again 169, 170 Wow Then I like breakfast and stuff then I have a nap then I go back to the arena and do the official weighing and then we go back to the arena and do the official weigh-in. And then we go back to the hotel and have a proper feast in the night. And then I wake up the next morning again, like, 185, 190. Wow. And then I'll have, like, I don't normally eat that much. They have a fight. And then I'll go to the venue. And they weighed me last time, but, like, I had the track. I weighed me last time, but I had the track,

1:05:47I'd emptied my pockets, but I had the track suit on and stuff like that. And I was 193 or four. Wow. But that was with the track suit on, and that's why we just called it 190. Yeah. That's a lot of weight. One of what makes me laugh is when a four-gaugey does a video of me in the back eating some jellies, and people are like, he had that whole bag of sweets. It was a fucking kilo of sweets lad think I'm eating a kilo of fucking sweets in the back you silly bastards I had a handful of them people are like you ate the full thing you're like I never you know what I mean there's no excuse for that fight you know what I mean it's not like I ate something he just beat me I know elite endurance athletes that eat candy

1:06:24yeah no it's they like to eat fast carbs it's like fast carbs. Yeah. It's not good for you under regular circumstances if you live a sedentary lifestyle to eat candy all day. But if you're like, remember Courtney, Courtney Dole Walter? Courtney Dole Walter, who is a, she does these ultra marathons. She beat all the men. It was, I think it was a 250 mile race and she was I think was she eight hours ahead of the first the second place person who was a guy she drinks beer eats candy my type of woman just insane mental toughness though insane like in one of her races she got so delirious that she fell she like like stumbled and fell cracked her head went blind couldn't see and as she's as she's running she's she's like

1:07:17half blind and she keeps falling down and she just keeps running so her head's all cut it's all fucked up still one belter still came through i don't know if she won that one, but she still finished 250 fucking mile I think she did win that one right yeah, she's But she doesn't just win she she was winning these races and beating other men by like seven eight hours This is like that's so fucking million like that lady could have taken a five hour nap and still fucked you up because they don't sleep these people they don't sleep they just stay up for three days running I don't understand how people can do them well my friend Cam Haynes does it and he's a complete psychopath it's like they're trying to die

1:07:59they're trying to force themselves in a situation where either they die or the guy next to him dies yeah we had we've got a lad in the gym who goes to vegas and does all like the ultra marathons and stuff like that like he's he's run every day for like a thousand and four hundred days or something crazy like that you know what i mean yeah he does like 10 15 20 mile a day well ferguson was training with goggins when you know he he fought you yeah i was like, that's probably not the best move. Because the problem is, like, Goggins is going to break you every day. And I don't know if you should be broken every day and then have a fight. I said that myself in the build-up to that fight. He's probably going to be a bit fatigued.

1:08:42Right. And you don't want that going into a fight. Tony had insane endurance. When he was in his prime, Tony Ferguson, one of the biggest tragedies in the history of the sport was him tripping over wires backstage. He was doing an interview, I think it was ESPN, blows his fucking knee out, just tripped over some wires. It is so crazy because before that, Tony was the boogeyman. He was fucking up everybody. I think something that really did fuck him up though was himself when he just done that weight cuffing on four weeks before he fought Gagey. Why did he do a weight cut for nothing? Because the days he was meant to fight got cancelled. And he just said, I'm going to do the weight cuts anyway

1:09:24and cut weight to 55. Why would he do that? And then a couple of weeks later, that Gage Ferguson fight got announced. And it was like five or six weeks after he'd just done a weight cut. So he had to do the weight cuts again to fight. You think that fucked him up? I think it's depressing. Doing two weight cuts in six weeks. I couldn't do two weight cuts in six weeks. It's that bad? I don't feel like it's that bad. But Tony's not cutting as much weight as you. No, I don't feel like... The worst thing for me to make weight is the eight weeks of dieting leading up to it. Ten weeks of dieting, I don't care. Getting in a bath, getting in a bath and sweating is sad. That's all up here. You know what I mean?

1:10:03It's the eight weeks leading up to it where you can't even go and see your mates because you can't be worried about eating something. Right. Like, my kids are sitting- So you're starting eight weeks out? Yeah, 10 weeks sometimes. But don't you think that's because you like to eat so much? I do. I think the 10-week sacrifice is worth it for me to do what I want. You know what I mean? I was actually reading something. See if you can find this article, Jamie. It was that a bath is actually better for you than a sauna. Yeah. Because the water doesn't have anywhere to go. Yeah. I was just reading that. So all you folks out here have been hearing me talking about the benefits of sauna, and you're like, fuck you, I don't have a sauna.

1:10:42If you have a bath, that's better. I've been doing hot baths now for 12 years or something. Makes sense. You know what's really good? Hot baths with Epsom salts. That's when you want to get more out of you. That's what we do. Magnesium too. It's one of the best ways your body absorbs magnesium. I don't even really use the sweet sweat anymore. No? Don't need to. Especially in a bath. It doesn't make any sense. Don't need to use the sweet sweat. Just sweat anyway. I can do easily for like £14, £ Especially in a bath. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. Don't need to use the sweet sweats. Just sweat anyway. I can do easily for like 14, 15 pounds in a bath. Wow. Easy. That's crazy. Does that ever fuck your kidneys up?

1:11:16Or do you ever feel like, what do you feel like when you're actually on the scale? Now I do it, we do it that professionally that it's sad. Really? Back in the day when I was fighting for the cage warriors fed the way title when i fought for it when i defended it some of the worst way cuts i've ever done at 45 what did you walk around back then well when i when i fought julian a rosa i can remember i was it's quite funny actually I was in a cave four weeks before it a cave? a rave a rave in a cave and I was in there boozed eating crisp and stuff like that on the aisle and one of my mates rang me there was a cage what he was on and he's like lad they've just announced the next fight i'm like

1:12:08after he's like yeah you're fighting that too early in the road after the ultimate fight i'm like am i were you fucked up yeah i was pissed as a fart and um i'm like am i yeah like i had to get in the gym that Monday, and I had, what, like, 25, 26 days to make weight, and I think I was 87K, and I had to be 65.8. So I had, like, 21K to lose. Wow. In less than four weeks. So for people at home, what is that, 49 pounds? What is that? Something like that, yeah. And in the end... What is it, how many kilos? 22 kilos? Yeah, 21 kilos it was, because I was, like, yeah. And in the end... How many kilos? 22 kilos? Yeah, 21 kilos it was, because I was like 80... 45 pounds? I was like 87 kilos, and I had to be 65.8 to make weight.

1:12:59So what do you do? How do you start that? That one was just like... That one was bad. That one was like 1500 calories a day or something just struggling to get through workouts doesn't that fuck with your workouts bad though? yeah it did that's why in the end that fight I had that one I cut 8.4 kilos overnight which is 17, 18 pounds the night the night before and the day of and that was I've never felt that bad oh maybe the next one as well the next weight cup that one was bad that was when I fought a Rosa and I won that fight but I think that was before the judging criteria got changed and I think if it was the new judging criteria i think i would have lost that fight i think it was with the one what was

1:13:52the difference in the criteria in that because i never saw that fight like on wrestling it was more like control wrestling and i like i gassed after round three four and five i was just surviving i mean but i ran out of him in like the first or the second round, I think it was, and he dropped me. Or I went down, but I grabbed his leg and took him down. You know what I mean? So I ended up winning that round. Where if you use this criteria now, I think he would have won that round. Right, because of damage. I've said that to him when I've trained in his gym and stuff. I've said to him, like, I reckon you would have won that fight if it was like the new criteria. And obviously it was probably, it was an own soil for that fight if it was like the new criteria. And obviously,

1:14:27it was probably, it was an own soil for me, but it was London. You know what I mean? It was the UK. But, I think, I'd say that's a close-up, like, just as close as the Jared Gordon fight, you know what I mean? If you did go back and watch it. Yeah. If you went off the criteria, now I reckon a Rosa would have beat me because I gassed after three. I was like, that for four and five I reckon he definitely won four and five but it was me takedowns what won me that fight the Jared Gordon fight was close it was close I thought Jared won that fight no no most people thought Jared won that fight it was close and it's interesting you look at your career afterwards and his career afterwards how one fight

1:15:04changes so much you know there's been times in history where there's been questionable decisions where you just go, wow, what would have been? A lot of people have got them on the record, haven't they? People always mention Tabal and Khabib. Yes. A lot of people thought Tabal won that fight. I thought he won that fight too. That's what I mean. I rewatched it too. I mean, not by a lot, but I thought not by a lot but I thought you know I thought a decision is rightful but you know the big one Dominic Reyes and John Jones that's the biggest one I've watched that a few times I think Dominic won that fight I think he won that fight and John's greatest of all time but I watched that fight I was like

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1:18:17Yeah, that and how he got through the week was brilliant. Yeah. Busting that was a lovely finish. Brilliant. And Mirzakhanov is a fucking beast. Yeah. You know, that guy's no joke. I think it would be a great fight with Reyes and Paolo Costa. Oh, fuck yeah. That would be a scrap. That's a good one. That's a real good one. That would be a scrap. Paolo Costa is a fucking beast at 205. I don't know how the fuck he made 185 to begin with. I know. He's a guy. Him and Yoel. Yoel is the most confusing one. Yeah. I'd stand next to Yoel Romero. I'm like, how? How are you? Because I would be standing there next to him weighing 200 pounds. And I was like, how have you ever been 185 pounds? That doesn't make any sense.

1:18:52You're so big. And shredded. He's like a brick. You know what I mean? He's just solid. Robert Whitaker said that he kicked him. He goes, it's like I'm hitting steel. He said, I was the only guy that I've ever hit a guy with a calf kick and came out second best. He goes, it hurt my leg when I calf hitting steel. He said, I was the only guy that I've ever hit a guy with a calf kick and came out second best. He goes, it hurt my leg when I calf kicked him. It's fucking nuts, man. He was like a boogie man as well, weren't he? Oh, yeah. He was like a boogie man. And we didn't even get him into MMA until he was in those late 30s. Yeah. I think his first MMA fight, I think he was 35 or 36 years old.

1:19:23He had a bare knuckle boxing match with fucking Darren Tillier that we've had. I thought he won. I thought he won that fight. A lot of people, I'll be honest, I don't really watch bare knuckles, so I didn't watch it. I can't say who won. I thought he won. I've seen a lot of people saying he thought he won as well, but as I said, I don't really watch bare knuckle boxing, so I couldn't really say. And he's 50. What the fuck, man? He's 50 and shredded. Looks amazing. And has endurance. Still explosive. Still moves great. He's. And has endurance. Still explosive. Still moves great. He's like defying time. He's like aging at half speed. It's nuts, man. Because even if he came back to the UFC, he's a fucking nightmare for 80%

1:20:00of the roster at 185 pounds. But not 185. He's never made it to 205. Not anymore. But even at 205, he's a fucking nightmare. Even when he fought Izzy, he realized that Izzy likes you to come after him and he likes to counter. So he just stood in front of him. He was around the way from winning that fight. Yes. Come on, man. That's the around the way from winning. Oh, he's going to wrestle Bo Nickel. RAF 16. All right. I have a thought on this. I don't think it's wise i like that raf is doing this i love it i love raf however when you got a guy like bo nickel who is right now one of the top contenders in the middleweight division and you're wrestling there is a real possibility that you could blow a d out a hundred percent i wouldn't do anything like that. Fuck that. I see these guys doing that.

1:20:47I'm like, I understand you're going to pick up some money. I understand. It's great. I understand you represent your sport. Freak weird things happen. I'm an MMA fighter, first and foremost, so I'm not going to go and do some grappling thing or some wrestling thing or anything like that. Cub Swanson did that. Yeah. He did a grappling match, blew out his ACL. That's what I mean. I just don't understand why people do I mean I just I don't understand why people do it no I don't understand why they do it either and it gives away part of your game it does a little bit it gives away part of your game that you want to surprise people with I just wouldn't go and do anything like that that's just I'm a fighter

1:21:21at the end of the day I want to be an MMA fighter I want to be UFC champion so I'm not going to go and do other shit I can understand it's good for dickheads like Armin who need the publicity because no one likes him. You know what I mean? It's good for people like that. You don't think people like him? No, he's a wanker. I like him. I'm sorry. I do. Little daddy's boy, lad. He is a very odd situation. I'll tell you that. It's very odd that a guy is the child of a rich man. Grew up that. It's very odd that a guy is the child of a rich man, grew up wealthy. He's wealthy as fuck right now. Does not have to fight for the rest of his life and still is world class. You gotta give him that. No, he is.

1:21:56He's a very good fighter. He's world class. I didn't think he looked good in that fight, though. He knocked him out in the first round. Couldn't take him down. Well, Hufi had been training with Volkanovski. I think he really tightened up his takedown defense. Hufi's got so much betteri had been training with Volkanovski I think he really tightened up his takedown defense Hufi's got so much better since he started training with Volkanovski yeah and his last fight before that was BSD right but like BSD absolutely mauled him on the ground and then Arman couldn't take him down true but I think he got better I think the BSD fight opened his eyes he beat Fizyev then he beat Chandler and then he fought

1:22:28Arman you know what I mean yep the Chandler fight I kind of that was the one fight where on the White House card I was like this one's a tough one this is tough for Michael I just don't see how he gets close to that guy I think he needed to use his wrestling against Rufy I think anyone does need to use their wrestling really I think Rufy's got some of the best stipend in the division very good striking and very long very tall very slick James Ruffey. I think anyone knows who needs to use the wrestling, really. I think Ruffey's got some of the best style in the division. Very good striking and very long. Yeah. Very tall, very slick. I'm about the same size as Ruffey, I think. You know what I mean?

1:22:57He seems like he's a little taller than you, is he? He might be a little inch taller, but I'm wider. He fights long. Yeah. He fights very long. I think he's boss to watch. I love watching Ruffey fight. Yeah. He's great to watch. I love watching him fight. But the BSD fight exposed a level of – his grappling was at a level that it's going to take an incredible amount of work to get to the top guys, guys like you. He's so far off. If a guy like BSD can dominate him that badly on the ground, it's like, boy, that's tough because he got dominated. It wasn't like competitive grappling exchanges where he got on top sometimes, but BSD got on top more. It was BSD mauling. That's a problem because when someone sees that,

1:23:42they're like, oh, you know. Let's replicate that and that's how you beat him. Especially a guy who's an elite guy like yourself or a guy who's a really good grappler. After that, when you watch that, you're thinking, I. Let's replicate that and that's how you beat him. Especially a guy who's an elite guy like yourself or a guy who's a really good grappler. Yeah, after that, when you watch that, you're thinking, I'm going to do that to him. I'm going to take him down and I'm going to. The question I always get is like, how much better can you get? You're 34, 32 years old, and you're going to fight world-class guys for the next couple of years. How much better can you get at grappling? Because you need to get a lot better.

1:24:08So it's a real tricky situation when something like that gets exposed, because if you're in there with a guy who can take you down, who's an elite grappler, he's always going to know that that pathway exists. You don't have the skills, at least didn't at the time, have the skills to stop that. And how much skills can you acquire over the next couple of years? I think you can always get better. For sure. You know what I mean? You can always get better. A hundred percent. But how much better can you get? Like, a good example for me is, like, John Jones and Cyril Ghosn. Right? John Jones takes Cyril Ghosn down like that, submits him first round. You know, and it's like, wow. Like, can Cyril ever get to a

1:24:48point where Jon Jones can't take him down yeah you know what I mean like if he has to fight again like if Jon decides to come back and Jon uh so let's say Cyril beats Hokie this weekend and then Jon says fuck it one more time you know wheel out the Brinks truck you want to sell some pay-per-views at heavyweight I'm the fucking man because that is true. If John decides to come back and say, I want one more, they got to give him a world title fight. You do it with him and Cyril Ghosn. And Cyril Ghosn knows just a few years ago, was it 2023 they fought, I think? Yeah. Three years ago, John took him down like that, submitted him like that. So it's like, how much better can you get in three years

1:25:26where that guy can't do that to you? Because the way he did it to him was like, you know, he's just that much better. Yeah, that was like taking candy from a baby as they say, weren't it? That was just easy. Just got him immediately, cinched him down, full control, got his neck, that's a wrap. I mean, it was so complete. I thought Siddle tapped quite quick as well, to be honest. What's that? I thought Siddle tapped quite quick. I think it hurt like a motherfucker yeah it was a front choke right did John have the head strap like stood over and I'd like his fucking with all the leverage of John's length and his skills like when remember we did that to Leota Machida here it is right here so he got

1:26:03him down got on top of him as soon as he sunk it in and John's left-handed, too He gets that left arm on that chin. He's just head cranking the fuck I don't look like it's under the chin yet there. He's just head cranking him. He's head cranking him. I Mean it's just right now. He's this is nasty his whole head is sideways. John's just so fucking strong He's so strong like weirdly strong, You know, it's just years of grappling and there it is. There it is. I mean, bro, that is nasty. That is so nasty. He's pretty fast there, I thought. I don't think so. I think that was a wrap, son. Look where his head's trapped. That's just the thing with me. I'm going out there. Yeah, I get it. I'm going unconscious. I get it.

1:26:45I'm not. Especially in a world title fight. And he's everybody, shush. I'm going out there. Yeah, I get it. I'm going unconscious. I get it. I'm not, especially in a world title fight. And he's everybody, shush. I'm going unconscious. Definitely. So, like, there's moments where you look at it, like this is one of the things that makes it interesting. I was just talking to a friend of mine who I respect a lot. I won't say his name until after the fight. He says, I think Josh Hogan's going to win this weekend. I was like, really? Really? You're really that confident? Because for me, it's like, boy, I think Cyril Ghosn is one of the biggest puzzles in the heavyweight division. I think it's bad for the sport if Josh Hawkins wins.

1:27:16I think it's bad. Do you really? It's bad. Bad for the sport if Josh Hawkins wins. I think he's a crazy wanker. Is he at least playing crazy? I don't know if he is crazy I just hate like as you know I hate Colby Covington I hate the acting I hate the trying to be something you're not just be yourself why are you putting this act on and it just pisses me off but it's the same thing sort of that Money Moicano does but he's still himself he's not being like he's not like trying to be nothing he's not that's just him he's a funny person anyway like he's still himself. He's still himself. He's still himself. He's not being like, he's not like trying to be not, and he's not. That's just him. He's a funny person anyway.

1:27:50Right. Like, he's not, like, when Ocher's doing all that stupid, oh, right, right, that stuff. he's pretending to be sick on himself and stuff like that. Yeah. You know what I mean? And like, everything I've ever heard about Colby Cormington is behind the scenes, he's one of the nicest men. He's a nice guy. That's it. I've hung out with him at the Comedy Store in LA. That's what I mean. He was very nice. I've heard he's one of the nicest fellas about,'s a nice guy. That's it. I've hung out with him at the Comedy Store in LA. That's what I mean. He was very nice. He's one of the nicest fellas about, so when he's the way he is on camera, it's like, what are you doing? Yeah. What do you mean? I get it,

1:28:15but it's also, Colby was about to get cut, and he fought Damien Maia in Brazil, and they were going to cut him. The UFC has an issue with guys who win, but are not exciting. If you don't get the fans stirred up. And they will cut you. And I'm against it. I am a purist. I didn't agree with him. For you, Bashar. I did not agree with that at all. I didn't agree with him getting cut at all. I say if you think he's boring. And I don't think he's boring. I think he's very skillful. I like watching him fight. Just because a guy's not finishing fights. Look it. Yves Lefebvre just fought for the title. He never he's very skillful. I like watching him fight. Just because the guy's not finishing fights. Look at, Yves just fought for the title. He never finished anybody.

1:28:50But still, I love watching him fight. Yves is a fucking elite fighter, man. You watch him fight. It's very interesting. I think what he did with Lerone was incredibly impressive. Because he did it on the feet as well. He beat him on the feet and then the grappling is elite. That was another fight a lot of people were calling a robbery though. The Yves Lerone Murphy-Laurent Murphy fight? Yeah. Really? What did they think? Because they told us it was 3-2 Evloev, but he had a point off. Everyone said it should have been. A lot of media things I've seen said it should have been a draw. Interesting. I'll have to go back and watch it again. But my point was he's not finishing anybody. He didn't finish anyone.

1:29:23Yeah. And yet he's still got a title fight. And, you know, Bashar is winning. He's undefeated. And he was 7-0 in the UFC, wasn't he? Yes. Yes. And, like, I don't like the pressure that gets put on people to fight outside of their technique and skill. And to just, like, bite down on your mouthpiece and throw. Yeah. I think that's crazy. I think you should fight the best way you know how to fight. And hopefully it's really exciting. But it's going to be exciting anyway. If you don't think he's exciting, put him in there with someone who is exciting, who's a fucking madman, who's going to force him to fight a certain way. But until he loses, cutting someone I think is crazy. It's just at that time, there weren't a lot of people.

1:30:09I remember a lot of people saying GSP was boring when I was watching. You know what I mean? I remember a lot of people. Madness. Casuals. Yeah. Casuals. People saying GSP was boring. Insane. How? His fight IQ was off the charts, and he beat people where he knew to beat them. Here's another example that those wrestlers hate. He didn't wrestle in high school. He didn't wrestle in college. Best wrestler in MMA. They hate that shit. They always want to say, Division I. Division I All-American. Settle down. This fucking Canadian guy who speaks French is just fucking everybody up. Just double-agging people with shits and giggles. Bro, it's really funny when I bring him around people that don't know who he is.

1:30:45They have no idea who he is. They never guess. They never guess. He was hanging out at the mothership. He's got a golf shirt on. He's super friendly to everybody. And I said to this friend of mine, I go, do you know who that is? And they go, no. I go, that's one of the baddest cage fighters that's ever walked the face of the earth. He was like, no way. I go, yeah, that's George St. Pierre. He's like, what? I remember he was at a cage where he was one time in Manchester. And I spoke to him there. And he's one of the nicest men ever. He's so polite and quiet and respectful. You know what I mean? You would never imagine that he was such a ferocious fighter. You wouldn't at all. He was another guy with a switch.

1:31:22He had a switch. You would see him get inside the cage and he would just switch over. You would see him just get locked in and focused and switched. And, you know, he had such a great team too. Firas Zahabi and John Donaher, two of the greatest minds in combat sports ever, together working with him, you know. And Firas would pay people to try to knock him out. He would. He would tell sparring partners, I'll give you more money if you can knock him out. Because he just wanted George to be fighting in like chaotic situations. You know, he wanted him to be like very comfortable with like wild chaos. Yeah. It does help like, you know what I mean? Because nothing can prepare you for a fight like a fight.

1:32:03Nothing like a fight. Yeah. I mean, especially if you're, you know, at that level where it's like the difference between victory and defeat is like small moments in a fight that can shift the tide and turn the way things go. It's like, boy, you need to be 100% prepared. So you need the right people watching you every step of the way, real trainers which is one of the things i think it's like pros and cons of these big giant gyms you know the pros are yeah for me the pros of a giant gym is you have unlimited sparring partners you've got so many different styles wherever you're fighting you've got someone to spar with but for me the cons are you just aren't like a team i don't feel like any of them are a team

1:32:50no you see it on the UFC now like oh these both train at the same gym right what right you'd never see me catching catch me fighting any of my teammates I consider them family they're all like my brothers you know what I mean yeah yeah I know what you mean but like we look after each other you would never see me fighting like George Staines or Luke Riley or Adam Cullen or anyone like that it just wouldn't happen, never happen as I've said it to you the perfect scenario for me would be I end up winning the lightweight belt I can defend it a few times George comes through the ranks I can vacate the belt and let him fight for it and move up to welterweight that's dreamland, don't get me wrong but that'd be

1:33:29perfect because I'm never going to fight him you know what I mean we spar in the gym twice a week yeah I'm with him every day we train together I wind him up every day you know what I mean so like just to think like I'd get in there and fight him or like even Luke who's been training with for like 7-8 years it's not happening. You know what I mean? You couldn't give me an unlimited amount of money to do that. Yeah, that was a big thing with Rashad, with Rashad and Jon Jones. Jon Jones, yeah, I remember that. Because they trained together and they were friends. Yeah. And then when Jon had to step in for Rashad and fight Shogun and won the title and then all of a sudden it became they were fighting each other

1:34:06and it became a giant issue because like Rashad was like, I thought we were never going to fight each other. I thought we were friends. That's mad. Yeah. I just couldn't even contemplate that. That had never happened in our gym. No one in our gym would ever fight someone else in the gym. But in them big super gyms in America, two people who train under the same roof, they might go in at different times and all that stuff like that, but they train in the same place, they've got the same coaches, and they're going to fight each other. That just blows my mind, lad. That's just crazy shit. I could see it both ways. Some guys agree it's okay, this is a business, and we both have a dream, and we're both going to just have to fight,

1:34:44and we'll be friends afterwards. I could see that. Some guys, that's their attitude, but I also see your attitude and I love that. I love the camaraderie that you get from sweating with people every day, training with people and knowing that they have your back. Yeah. Like knowing that if they have a heel hook, they're not going to yank on it. Knowing if they have a head kick, they're going to pull it. You know what I mean? Like there's things, you do things for each other in the gym for friends too. Like you don't hurt each other on purpose. Shit happens, but you do things for each other in the gym for friends, too. Like, you don't hurt each other on purpose. Shit happens, but you pull things.

1:35:12You take care of each other. You want to be able to train again tomorrow. Exactly. And you also, you go through things where you're helping each other in the corner. You're pumping people up for the fight. You love them. They're like brothers. To fight that kind of a person, someone who's that close to you, it's really like fighting an actual brother. And I can't imagine that. I spend more time in the gym with them people than my actual brother. And my mates by ours who I've grew up with who I consider brothers. You know what I mean? So for someone to say you want to go in there and fight him and try and knock him out, you're going to try and knock him out. It's also you know each other like no one knows each other.

1:35:47You know each other inside out because you've done that many hours of training together yeah if you train with someone you know them you know you just you you get it as i say that just blows my mind people who train in the same gym fighting each other i just think it's i think it's wrong personally i just i get it the way mma is there's only a lot of people just think oh there's only a certain few gyms you can go to where i'm still training in the same gym as i walked into when i was 15 years old i haven't ever trained anywhere else with anyone else i've went and done a little bit of saying and he had nerd like little when i've been in other countries and stuff but i've never had a different head coach i've always been paul and i've always had ella different head coach. Wow. I've always been Paul Romet and I've always had Ellis Hampton,

1:36:29who was my teammate, but he's now my coach. You know what I mean? I've never had any other coaches. Yeah. Well, that's awesome. I think that's great, especially since it's working out. Unfortunately for some people, it's not working out and they're in a situation where they do have to make a change because maybe the coaching staff can't handle their talent. But when people are together day in and day out like that, it develops a bond, a closeness that very few people understand. You really know them. Krohn Gracie had a very wise statement once. We were talking about something. And he was talking about some guy. He says, I reserve my judgment on who a man is until I roll with him. I was like, that's smart.

1:37:10Because, like, there's no bullshit. There's no bullshit in rolling. You know what I'm saying? That's a very wise thing. Yeah. You know, because, you know, like, you hear people talk, like, is that bullshit? I don't know. Well, who knows? Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm being paranoid. But you know when you get on the mat if someone's bullshitting on us, don't you? Exactly. You do? Yeah, you do, 100%. And you know when you get on the mat if someone's bullshitting on us don't you exactly you do yeah you do 100 and you know each other you know what what each other's are capable of that's why when you have a gym like khabib's gym where you have this one guy who's such a dominant force of discipline and will who's like the head guy and it's like he sort of forces this ethic

1:37:47throughout the entire gym because you know your your head guy is like it's like he sort of forces this ethic throughout the entire gym. Because, you know, your head guy is like one of the greatest of all time. Yeah. Who's this fucking complete discipline maniac. You know what I mean? And like the whole gym sort of falls into that line. I mean, it's not a coincidence that so many elite guys are coming out of that gym. No, it's not like. But they're not fighting each other either. No, that's what I mean. Same thing. Yeah. And they've got some of the best fighters in the world who are at some of the top of the divisions in the world. Have the UFC signed Usman? Have they signed Usman Nurmagomedov?

1:38:17I don't think so. I know they're in talks. God, I hope they sign him. It's just whether... The other... What are they called? PFL? Give him more money, innit? I think he's free. Oh, he had a three-month period, weren't he called? PFL. Give him more money, innit? I think he's free. Oh, he had a three-month period, innit? Is that what it is? I see he signed today. He signed with the UFC today? I'll make a confirm. Okay, confirm. See, there's another lightweight. And he is the one guy that was outside of the UFC. I said, this guy's world championship caliber. He's world championship caliber. So it's like you and him and Arman and Charles fuck Charles look good against Max he's shut Max down yeah he did

1:38:57I was stunned I didn't see that coming Percy I was stunned I mean I thought it was going to be a real good fight I think him and him and Lopez is going to be a good fight I really like Diego Lopez he's an animal yeah he's one of the nicest dudes ever super nice guy iron chin his chin looks like you could hit him with a bat you know what I'm saying like his chin he's got a giga chin his chin is like fucking fucking hit me you can take a shot like nobody's business but I can I think Charles is probably going to do the same thing as what he's done to Max. Perhaps, but Diego's really good on the ground. He almost submitted Eve Lou up a couple of times. Scrambling is great. He scrambles our positions.

1:39:37Scrambling, conditioning, strength. And I think he's also a very big 145 who's really belonged at 55 for a while. Charles will be bigger than him, though, won't he? Yeah, Charles will be bigger. But Charles started at 45 as well. But Charles against Max, bro, he would get into that clinch and I was like, Max is fucked here. Like, it doesn't seem like he could do anything to him. He was just ragdolling him and he was just getting him and Max couldn't do anything. I was very shocked. No one's ever done that to Max. That's what I'm talking about with Max as well. Is Max just sitting out waiting for Connor? I don't know. Because he's ranked fourth. Right. At this time in his career, he might want to do that.

1:40:16You know, he probably only has a few more left in him. And the Conor one is obviously a huge money fight. Do you see Conor's bare knuckle fight thing he did the other day in Glasgow? No. So they had a bare knuckle fight in Scotland. Wasn't he saying that he wants to fight? Well, he was just hammered at the press conference. Hammered, talking crazy shit. If I hit you with these hammers, he's just fucking going nuts. He was cracking open a Guinness or whatever he has, whatever his- Forge Stout thing. Yeah. I don't know what he was drinking, but he was drinking. And he was just getting crazy and just talking mad shit. That was beer, right? No, that's him. It's like Guinness. I don't think it was an energy drink.

1:40:56Guinness isn't beer, is it? It isn't? No, it's called something else. Stout? Yeah, stout. Yeah. He wasn't drinking Guinness. He'd be drinking his Irish stout. He was drinking his own, right? Look at him. Put the headphones on. Let me hear some of this, Jamie. Give me some of this. Unless you're a world-caliber fighter. You've got one more fight. Look at his eyes. Who would you like to have that with? It has to be Holloway. It has to be. Just do the fucking thing again. Just do the thing again. The guy didn't engage once. He's the one that called for the stoppage of the fight. What if when he said, ref, ref, ref, he's stopping the fight. So I, imagine I'd have just said, yes, yay, and jumped the fence. I won.

1:41:34He doesn't want to fucking fight. I'd have done him on me fucking, on me, on the one leg. He wasn't, he wasn't coming near me. It was just so shocking and so heartbreaking to me. And I'm still fucking dealing with it. But it has to be Holloway. Come on, just fucking dust it off. Redo it. I'm on my way back. What's it now, November? Three months I am over surgery. I done this injury before and returned within nine months. So nine months is pre-summer. He looked big there as well, Donnie. Yeah. Now, Holloway might be a jackass. Something might happen. I don't know. But a fighter that fights me, put some respect on my name. If you're not a world champion fighter, if you've not got world accolades to your name,

1:42:16don't even utter my fucking name. Because if you're a national champion, if you're a fucking regional champion, if you've done fuck all but got a few likes, go fuck yourself. Don't mention my fucking name unless you're a world-caliber fighter. Well, listen, man. In his prime, when you talk about the Eddie Alvarez fight in particular, when he was in the Matrix, it was one of the greatest performances in the history of this sport. I think he would have beat anyone that night. He was on fire. There's just so many factors that have led to his slide. And I think the big one was that fight with Floyd Mayweather. I don't think he ever should have done that. Well, obviously, it made a hundred million dollars. Yeah, he made a lot of money, but

1:42:58what was it? Was it Marvin Langley who said, it's hard to get out of bed when you're wearing silk pajamas? Yeah, it is, but you can still do it. Floyd did it. Floyd would still get out of bed in silk pajamas. He always had debts to pay though, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he blows all his money though. That's what I mean. He runs out of his money and he's like, shit, I need to fight again. Oh, he's going to fight again now. They're talking about him fighting Ryan Garcia, which is crazy. Yeah, that is crazy. I think that's crazy. He's 50 years old. I mean, as good as Floyd is, boy, if he could somehow or another even be competitive with Ryan Garcia. Isn't Manny Pacquiao meant to be fighting someone again now as well?

1:43:34Yeah. Bro, Manny's still fighting. Yeah. Isn't it funny? He was like the president of the Philippines or something. He was in the Congress or something. What was he over there? A senator or something like that. Something big. Yeah. Senator. Yeah. And then he's something like that? Something big. Yeah. Senator. Senator. Yeah. And then he's just still boxing? Yeah. Still playing pool every day. He plays pool and chess at the same time. It's the wildest thing you've ever seen. He has a pool hall in his compound. So in his compound, he has a pool hall. Pool halls fill with people. He's playing pool. He plays really good pool, like professional level pool. And while he's playing pool, in the middle of that, he's playing chess.

1:44:12So he's got a chessboard on the side. When his opponent's shooting, he goes over. He's gambling. So he's gambling on chess and he's gambling on pool. So while his opponent's playing, he goes over there. He moves the chessboard. And then people come over for things for him to sign. So he's got boxing gloves. He's signing boxing gloves. He's signing pool cues. It's crazy to watch, man. See, that's something I've never got into. You know chess. It's a tough game, man. I don't know how to play. I've never got into it. But me videographer, Blaze, he's always playing it on the app on his phone. You know what I mean? He keeps trying to get me into it and I'm just like nah. The problem I have with chess is that it's one

1:44:47of those games that it is a long learning curve, and if you're a competitive person, if you get excited by games, you're going to get lost. You're going to get lost in chess. You'll start taking lessons and start reading books, and the next three or four hours every day is dedicated to chess. I have some friends that are obsessed. I remember people saying jujitsu is like chess, but then I can remember Paul saying to me, it's not. Jujitsu is like chess if you drown them. It's like playing chess while you drown them. Yeah, yeah. Also, there's way more ways you can move. The thing about chess is like, you get a chance to think about all the different positions. And like jujitsu, this is just like,

1:45:27you go this way because he knew you were gonna go this way. And then you go this way because he knew you were going to go this way. And then you go that way and he knew you were going to go that way. And then you have to escape that way, but that's already blocked. So then you have to figure out what to do. And then it's constantly evolving and changing and shifting. And if someone's got a weird game, like they do some shit that you haven't seen before. Jiu-jitsu is infinite. And there's always new moves. It's always evolving. Always new moves. There's always a new answer to a position where you're like, oh, wait a minute. I never even saw that before. How does that work? And you see people pull stuff off.

1:46:05You're like, this sport is never ending. I don't even, I'll be honest, nowadays, because of MMA, I don't really roll that much anymore without strikes. And whenever we roll, we've got gloves on showing strikes. You know what I mean? The big fat ones? Yeah, the eight ounce ones. Yeah. Eight ounce power masters. The only problem with those is like it limits certain things. It does, yeah. It does limit things but if you i feel like if you if you just do jujitsu and you don't even like if we're just doing it with no gloves on they'll show right but even when you show stuff people don't move right but when you've got a glove on and you're punching someone in the fucking face they're gonna move they have no i mean yeah well it goes back to what we were talking about,

1:46:49like, knees to the head of a grounded opponent. Like, there's certain things that are just not realistic. Like, when people are going for leg locks and you're in a position where someone's got your leg, but their head is right there. Yeah. And it's in jiu-jitsu. It's like, listen, this is crazy. That's... Because this would be boom, boom. That's what I always say. Like... Yeah. If someone tries to heel hook me in a fight, I'm just... I'm not going to tap. I'm just going to punch them in the face repeatedly. Did you ever see one of your countrymen, Ian Freeman, fought Frank Mir? Yeah. And Frank was going for the heel hook. And he just pounded him. And Ian Freeman just pounded him out. Yeah. That was,

1:47:26I think, the first UFC event. In the UK, yeah. Yeah. His daughter's in the UFC now, isn't she? Yeah, she out. Yeah. That was, I think, the first UFC event in... In the UK, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. His daughter's in the UFC now, isn't she? Yeah, she is. Well, she's... She was on the Contender Show, right? I don't know if she just got signed. She was Cage Warriors champion. Wow. She was Cage Warriors champion. Wow. First ever father-daughter to be Cage Warriors champion. That's incredible. But yeah, she's in the UFC now. I think she was meant to fight and then got injured this one. Wow. Frank Mir's daughter's fighting too. She lost though, didn't she? Yeah, she lost in the contender series. Yeah. Imagine they end up fighting each other.

1:48:01That would be crazy. Are they in the same weight class? I don't think so. I think Kennedy will be bigger than Frank's daughter. What is the weight classes for women in Cage Warriors? Do they get to featherweight? I think they have in the past. There's no featherweight title, I don't think, but they've got to featherweight in the past. But it's 150 and 125, 135. Kind of crazy that the UFC doesn't have a featherweight champion anymore. Yeah. That to me is like... There's not that many women, that was there at that weight. I guess not. I guess not, but I mean, I feel like... We've got a girl in our gym now who probably will fight at that weight, to be honest. Yeah. Two-time IMF world champion.

1:48:40Well, that's like this Kayla Harrison fight this weekend with Amanda Nunes. Like, she really shouldn't be fighting at 135. She's so big. Kayla's so strong. And she has to kill herself to get to 35. And barely made it for the last fight against Juliana Pena. She gets to death's door to make 135. She's only made it twice, hasn't she, so far? I believe so. A debut and then the title fight. Yeah, I believe so. It's hard, man. It's hard for her. It's a real struggle. When you meet her in real life, that's a strong woman woman yeah like she's got bigger shoulders than me she's thick you know i'm meeting her when we because she was meant to fight amanda in january wasn't she when i fought justin so when we were doing all the press stuff before it they were there doing the

1:49:23same stuff know what i mean yeah and i think she's got bigger arms than me she's a tank she's a unit absolute unit when she gets in there I would like to know what she weighs when she steps into the cage at least 55 at least at least 55 at least I would say higher than that more like 165 yeah I'd say 65-70 that's yeah the UFC actually DM'd me the body account the day saying who do you think is going to win, I haven't even responded, because I don't know who's going to win that fight. I can't pick a winner there. Amanda hasn't fought in quite a while, so you have to wonder, does she experience some ring rust? Is she just so good, and she's the greatest of all time, right? Is she so experienced that she'll just greatest of all time right is she so experienced

1:50:10that she'll just be able to lock right in she's done it so many times it's gonna be about 18 months since Kayla's last force as well though isn't it that's true and then the big neck surgery yeah which is a big one that's what I mean she had a disc replaced in her neck I couldn't pick a winner there me the thing is on the stand up Amanda has such an advantage yeah such an advantage you go to the cyborg fight, when Amanda knocked out Cyborg, like, holy shit, man, if you knock out Cyborg like that, I mean, Cyborg was a fucking destroyer. She still hasn't been knocked out since, has she? That's the only thing she's ever knocked out of. No, that's it. Yeah, and Amanda slept her. Just boom! Amanda, she's got fucking hammers, man.

1:50:48She beats out her own game in that one as well didn't she because they both just started exactly well Amanda's more than willing to slug it out like she wasn't scared of sideboard yeah but she just knows like you know how it is like it's weird how some people just have weird power they just have weird power like a friend friend of mine's ex-girlfriend he was telling me he was like bro you know that machine, you know the machine you punch it He's like she hits it. She fucks guys up. I'm like no way really and he goes Yeah, let her hit your hand and I go. Okay. Go ahead hit my hand this chick And I go oh shit That could knock me out like she hit my hand was like, oh, shit. I'm like, that could knock me out. Like, she hit my hand. I was like, oh, my God.

1:51:29Like, that could, if you weren't looking, and she catches you in the skin, she'll spark you right out. I was like, that's crazy. Like, the hardest woman I've ever, like, seen punch. I'm like, this is nuts. Wasn't an athlete. She was when she was younger. She wasn't boxing. I think, well, even for me, I think pound for pound, the hardest punch I've ever been hit with is by me mate who's a boxer. He's fighting for the world title next weekend, well, even for me, I think pound for pound, the hardest punch I've ever been hit with is by my mate who's a boxer. He's fighting for the world title next weekend, actually, Brandon Diod. He changed to my boxing coach, Chris Williams. It was in, like, COVID. I was just having a little spa with him,

1:52:00even though I was, like, 20k heavier than him. He fights at, like, 55k or something like that. He had to get me with a shot, and I was looking at him, and my head looked at the wall, and then come back. Pound for pound and it's by far the hardest punch I've ever been hit with that's nuts definitely and laddie fights at like 52 kilo there's certain guys that just have you know what Firas Ahabi calls the touch of death it's like Damien Pinas the middleweight guy he fought on the same card as me bro that guy's ridiculous. Yeah. He's ridiculous. Luke's a bit like that, to be fair. Sure. People laughed at me when I said, they asked me who hits harder, Gagey. Is Gagey the hardest person who's ever hit you?

1:52:38I'm like, no, Luke hits me in the gym. That's crazy. I think Luke hits harder. If Luke hit me with four ounces on, it's different from when Gagey hit me with four ounces on. Really? Definitely. I think it's just because of his timing. he's been fighting thai since he was like five six years old and then moved into boxing and was boxing from like 12 13 to like 16. so he's just always done striking and when he gets his timing on you it's timing it's everything like he's accurate it's timing's precise. It's like, he's not proper powerful, but put all them things, like McGregor, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Yeah. It's bone structure too, right? It's like, there's certain just things about the way some people are built.

1:53:21They just hit harder. There's a lot of factors, you know? It's mad now, obviously, because he mashed me face up yeah Gagey but I don't think he hit that hard really I don't think he hit that hard no he never hit me I don't know what I mean like the one he never had me where it was like oh shit what's going on right I don't know what I mean though obviously the one the right hand after he poked me in the eye when I went down off that I reckon the grounding pound he hit me with after he ate more than the actual shot But where I went like that and then he hit me with that shot and I didn't see it coming and I went down But lad he hit me with a lovely punch to the chest in that sequence So I mean he started down my fist at me and I got away a bit and he went whack and got me right in the chest

1:54:05I was like you cunts He dazed me a bit there but that was more the grounding part so who's the hardest puncher that you fought inside the cage in the octagon in the UFC yeah I don't think anyone's hit me that hard really yeah probably the best puncher I've ever been hit with I reckon it's probably my debut Luigi Vendramini when he hit me and like it didn't rock me but like my head my hair done that you know what I mean and everyone was like oh he's rocked but I just like took a step back threw a shot at him and he shot in you know what I mean that was probably I reckon that's the best punch I've been hit with in the UFC in my debut because then after that I didn't really get hit that much until I fought Jared

1:54:48but that fight with Jared I think I've I underestimated him because then after that I didn't really get it that much until I fought Jared. But that fight with Jared, I think I underestimated him. I went in there thinking I was trying to beat him. I didn't have to worry about it, you know what I mean? And he came in with a great game plan. He had a very good left hook. Yeah, and that was something I always used to get it with. I don't think I get it with it as much now, and I had to work on it because of that fight. But he'd fought one of my former teammates who used to train with us and he won a decision against him and I used to just absolutely rip the shit out of this person in the gym. You know what I mean?

1:55:25So I thought he took a round off him as if Jared's going to get near me. You know what I mean? Right. he took a round off him as if Jared's gonna get near me you know what I mean right when MMA mat doesn't work and I knew that myself and I shouldn't have thought like that but I just went into that tight thinking I'm gonna win this this is gonna be easy you know what I mean like I didn't not train hard for it I still like trained hard done everything right but I just like went in there thinking this is gonna to be easy. And then obviously, my ankle, I can min it in. I couldn't move properly. And I still thought, even with a fucked up ankle, no, this is going to be easy, because it was a little bit twingy

1:56:01before the fight. My ankle, I ended up getting inner ligament reconstruction, outer ligament reconstruction, and something done to the LCL. I had, like, three surgeries. Oh, wow. After that fight, I had three surgeries and one. Is that why you were out for a year? Yeah. Like, I've got a big, naughty scar on, like, my ankle there. Ankles are a big one, too. That's a hard one to heal. It's like a Halloween scar. It's like a line and dots on the outside. I mean, it's like a proper Halloween scar. It's bad. Like, I couldn't walk. Like, I couldn't walk properly for months I had a big boot on I was on crutches and that I got terribly depressed after that one like terribly because I think I might have

1:56:40went on all day after I come home I had to get surgery and for the first week or two I couldn't even go upstairs I was just couch bound sleeping on the couch every night I don't know what two, I couldn't even go upstairs. I was better couch-bound, sleeping on the couch every night. Wow. You know what I mean? Couldn't train. I've got a bad hand at the minute, but I'm still in the gym every day, hitting pads with the other hand, kicks, knees, elbows, doing stuff. When you do something to one of your feet, you can't do nothing. You can't run. I couldn't even ride a bike. You know what I mean? I had a big boot on that's like one of the worst times i've ever had because i couldn't do nothing like three months

1:57:16and so what did you do just like after that fight was when i got the worst backlash of my life you know what i mean because everyone thought jared won and everyone was hating on me and i was just sat in my living room just like oh no telly like I couldn't get my frustrations out on nothing. What did you do with your time? Just watch television? That's all I had to do yeah. So you couldn't do push ups, you couldn't do nothing? No. Wow. I couldn't do anything because of like the boot on my foot. How long? Even if I went for the first couple of weeks, after a couple of weeks I could do like press ups but the first couple of weeks even getting down to put the pressure on my foot. How long? Even if I would have went for the first couple of weeks. After a couple of weeks, I could do, like,

1:57:49press-ups, but the first couple of weeks, even getting down to put the pressure on that foot would hurt. You know what I mean? Right. I was taking all sorts of, like, tablets to, like, try and get over, like, the pain and that. It was rough. Like pills? Yeah. Like pain pills? Like opiates? Yeah, like Tramadol and that. Oh, Jesus. Because it was bad. Yeah, I could imagine. I mean, that kind of a reconstruction, ankles are really tricky. It's a tricky ligament or a tricky joint. Like, I didn't know if I'd end up fighting when I fought Tony that year, the next year, because that was, I fought Jared in 22 and I fought Tony at the same event the next year, the 23, December, December. I didn't even know if I'd fight in 2023 because of my ankle. Wow. Like they were saying, we don't the 23rd, December, December. I didn't even know I was fighting 2023 because of my uncle.

1:58:30Wow. Like they were saying, we don't know if you'll be able to. And then. So how long did it take to completely rehabilitate it to the point we started training again? Couldn't start training again until like July. So how many months? I got it in like the end of January, February. Wow. It was like six months. Wow. Because I got married in the May. I got married in May. So January, February, it was like six months. Wow. Because I got married in the May. I got married in May. So, a good seven months. Yeah, and I had to like, I just about got the boot off like a week before I got married. They said you can take the boot off. Wow. I remember walking outside and me from going and throwing it in the bin

1:59:02like that, you know what I mean? Like celebrating, I was like, cunts. And then, I got married in that and I got back to training but at first I wasn't even at first I was just like boxing and being dead careful with my movements and stuff wasn't doing anything else and then I started to like work everything in I can remember first sparring session I done when I come back sparred one of the lads in the Jimmy fights on PFL and Aldean Gittins former Cage Warriors world champ. And it was like the third round, and he was only a bantamweight. He had no one else to go with. I didn't. I went, third round. I was gassing as it was, and he is an absolute machine. He's one of them. He just walks forward and just punches you.

1:59:42Never forget it. Third round. I was just like, Gittin is just walking at me, punching me. I hadn't sparred in like six months. I remember Ben saying to Paul, might have to pull him out of here, you know, because he punching me. I hadn't sparred in like six months. I remember Ben saying to Paul, might have to pull him out of here, you know, because he's tired, he hasn't sparred in six months and Paul went, you can if you want but I'm not going to be the one that takes the brunt of that. You know what I mean? Because he knew I'd flip and I had to just stand there like that swinging at the end of the floor. I was lying on the floor like, I'm fucked. Well, there's only one way to get back did you do any

2:00:12rehabilitation of the knee of the ankle yeah I had to do like quite a bit of stuff I should have done more though you know what I mean like it's mad that even in the past like three years I feel like I've grew up a lot I think having kids plays a big part in that like but even before even when I was like 27, 28, I was still like 12 in the head. Yeah. Well, especially when you're young, and then you also, you don't have a regular job. Yeah. You're a fighter. So you're a wild person. Just a wild person who's good at this wild thing, and you can kind of be a kid. You know, that's one of the weird things that Josh Hokut was saying for this weekend. He's like one of the things that he tries to do is always act like a kid, like keep everything playful.

2:00:57Like he wants to be – it's like a weird method to some of this madness. Like he draws all these pictures. He has like these comic book pictures he draws. And like he acts weird. I just think he's a wanker He's sparring and I was watching the countdown show and he's sparring and he doesn't have his mouthpiece in He's got his mouthpiece, but he's biting down on it like this. I could hang it out with mouth Like his mouthpiece is hanging out of his mouth What that's just stupid. I don't understand what he's doing. It's like his mouthpiece is all chewed up. And I guess it keeps your teeth from hitting each other, but that's it. It doesn't keep your lips from getting smashed into your teeth. I just don't understand it.

2:01:42And he's sparring that way. But, you know, he looks good, man. He looks good. I just hope Cyril Gann saves the heavyweight division. And I don't really want to say that about Cyril Gant because he beats, well, he didn't beat Tom, but he made Tom vacate his belt. That was a travesty. And Tom's a friend. To this day, I don't like how that was handled. And I don't like even the notion that somehow or another he could have been able to continue. That is not the thing we should be saying, that anybody should be saying. When someone's fingers drive knuckle deep into your fucking eyeballs, that should not be the conversation. And I faded it a few months later when people used me as an example to say,

2:02:24oh, Paddy carried on when Justin poked him in the eye. It's like, yeah, this is two completely different things. Every eye poke is different. Every eye poke's different, exactly. Yeah, that's what people don't understand. Like, the one that didn't look as bad hurt him more. Yeah. Eye pokes are fucking terrible. I think there should be a non-negotiable one-point deduction. You should just get a point, takeaways. On the second eye poke, you're disqualified. No one will do it. In the back, you get a warning about the eye poke. So that's your warning. You shouldn't get another warning. As soon as you eye poke someone, you should just get it took. Just extending your hands like that on someone's face is an obvious move.

2:03:00Like, it's obvious. And people do it and they do it on purpose sometimes. And that's, we all need to understand that. Sometimes it's inadvertent. Sometimes it's accidental. All that is it's inadvertent sometimes it's accidental all that is true most times it's accidental however there are guys who will poke you in the fucking eye yeah I remember when um was it Jillian Murphy was fighting Priscilla Cachoeira Cachoeira yeah remember that yeah and Cachoeira stuck her fucking thumb and then pushed her away deep into her eye as she's getting choked. She found her eye and shoved her fucking thumb. That's a straight DQ right away. Should be. But she was already losing. Yeah. She was already getting strangled and she wound up tapping.

2:03:41But you should not be fighting anymore in that organization. That is like a blatant foul. A foul that could ruin someone's career. Like, look at, Aspinall's had how many fucking surgeries now? Yeah, he's had about three or four surgeries. That's crazy. And who knows if he's ever going to be able to fight again. I think that's probably like, them eye pokes like that are probably worse than what Paul Daly done. Yes! And he never got to fight in the UFC ever again. Crazy. I mean, all he did was take a swing after the fight. I don't even think he connected. No, he didn't. He fully missed. Here it is. Yeah, that's disgust on my life. So watch this. Look, she finds the eye. Look, she shoves it deep

2:04:22in there. That is crazy, man. That is absolutely crazy. That is such an absolutely blatant foul. And a foul that's 100% on purpose and then she does it again 100 no no this is just a replay of it she does it twice oh god she gets away and then she does it again yeah twice she done it the referee should Chris Dione should be on that I think Molly Molly beat her didn't she I'm sure Molly beat that a lot more. I think Molly beat her, didn't she? I'm sure Molly beat that Priscilla Cashway, I'm certain she did. Crazy. Nothing will have been said about that right away, though, just because she still won. Right, she still won, but still. If that would have changed the direction of the fight, that something would have been said about that.

2:05:04Yeah, what if she screamed and fell back and covered her eye and the other girl punches her? That's a blatant one, that, like, blatant. Ultra, ultra blatant. And, like, so we know that people poke people in the eyes on purpose. So it has to be, like, the strictest of fouls. Like, one-point deduction immediately. Because it could blind you. Even if you get kicked in the nuts, I think people, like Derek Lewis has famously said he'd need people in the nuts on purpose so he could catch a break. Like, I was tired. He is hilarious. He's so funny. But it's like, boy, Josh Hockett put it on him, that fight. But even with, like, ball shots, he can be a little bit like that. You can recover from a ball shot.

2:05:47Like, I don't, when I fall. Yeah, see? see what he's doing with his mouth that's the end of the piece though that's that's like the tab oh you know what it is it's like a football mouth yeah yeah that's what i was thinking too even football players sort of wear them the way you're describing and i was wondering what it was but that's just like it's it's not even in though see when he opens his mouth and it falls back, it looks like a chewed-up mouthpiece, man. Look at it. It sticks out too much. I don't know what that is, man. I hope that's just a mouthpiece and a tab, a big tab. But that looks weird. Like, when he opens his mouth, it, like, falls. See what I'm saying? It, like, falls down when he opens his mouth.

2:06:26It means it's not fit right. If it is a mouthpiece with a tab. So look at that. Oh, yeah, no, that's not. That looks, yeah, that's different. See, his teeth. You see his teeth. it's not fit right. If it is a mouthpiece with a tab. So look at that. No, that's not. See, there's teeth. You see his teeth. That's what he's doing. That's a chewed up mouthpiece, man. That's crazy. Like his coaches should stop him from doing that. It looks like gum, really. Yeah, it looks like. No, it's a chewed up mouthpiece. I know, I know. It looks like a chewed pick or something. It just doesn't look thick at all. It looks like a boil and bite mouthpiece that he's just chewed the fuck out of. Weird. Yeah, that's just stupid.

2:06:52I think. Whatever it is, it's like not a regular mouthpiece, you fucking maniac. What are you doing? Why are you always wearing gloves? He's just odd. When I fought Justin, a lot of that threw my head in because obviously he poked me in the first round and I just got on with it, didn't get a deduction. Then he poked me in the first round and I just got on with it didn't get a deduction then he poked me in the second round and dropped me with it and won the round because of it because he ground and pounded me and then I can remember when I watched it back on the replay he was like he poked him in the eye but nothing happened the ref couldn't go back and watch it or something I don't know and then the third round

2:07:26I'm putting it on him and he said I hit him in the balls when I never like that still does my errands this day like I need him and like he said it glanced his cup and like it's just him being a veteran like you know what I mean don't get me wrong but it it didn't hit him in the balls lad it hit him in the body and then he got like a two minute breather and then in the fourth round he knees me in the balls against the cage. And I go like that. And he just carries on hitting me and nothing happens. You know what I mean? It's just every one more cut that went wrong for me, that night went wrong. But as I've said after that, it was fate for him to beat me because he was meant to beat Ilya Tepory at the White House.

2:08:02It was like his destiny. You think so? Yeah. That was his destiny. It seemed like it. It was destiny to do that. It seemed like it. It was an amazing moment. It was a crazy moment too because Ilya had fucked him up so hard in that second round. Yeah. I got laughed at by everyone when I was saying I think Justin's going to win. Everyone laughed at me, lad. I'll never forget when I was in Budapest with DC at the Champions League final. I said to DC, I was like, I think Justin's going to beat him. He was like, what? I was like, no, I reckon he's going to beat him. He was what? I was like nah I reckon he's going to beat him he was like you're crazy I was like nah serious I think Justin's going to

2:08:34beat him lad he's going to out dog him and I remember me and Blaze were like hell he doesn't think he's going to win does he? I know earlier I had this untouchable unbeatable thing at the time but no man is unbeatable everyone is beatable yeah everyone's beatable. And if you hit the gas full blast in that second round, you're not going to recover for the third. That's the reality of fighting that you could speak to. You really never empty the gas tank, right? You always have to be measured in how much you put out. Yeah, I think that fucked me up in the Ferguson fight. I hadn't fought for a year, as was saying before, with the injury. And at the end of that first round, I just tried to put it on him.

2:09:17Dropped him, tried to put it on him. And as you know, he's made a steal. So he didn't get put away. And then the third round started, I remember him between two and three being like to Paul and that. I'm tired of you, you know? And then like to Paul and that, I'm tired of you, you know. And then we're just being like, I'm tired of you. And he was like, just get out there and like get him down. I can remember at the start of that third round, I was thinking, shit, I'm tired of you. He started putting it on me a bit, you know what I mean? And then I got the takedown and just kept him there because I knew I was already winning. Just keep control of him, just win the round. You know what I mean? Win the fight.

2:09:52But when you get to that point in a fight where you're like, wow, I'm fucked here. You could see it with Ilya in that third round. Yeah. You could see it. He was kind of fucked. His movement was a lot slower and he couldn't get out of the way. Justin called it as well, though. Justin said it himself. He said, when we get out the first round, when we get out the second round, you're going to be like, shit, he's still here. And that's going to be in your head because you've been saying you're going to be like, shit, he's still here and that's going to be in your head because you've been saying you're going to finish me by two. And he was right. He was 100% right. He's also, like, his skin, he even said it

2:10:18after the fight. He goes, they should study me. You know, because it's like, he doesn't get cut up. It's crazy. But he's also very good at moving. He moves with stuff. And he takes the shot with the movement. You know what I mean? Yeah, he falls back with things. I hit him with a few knees where I thought, that landed well, and he just takes it. You know what I mean? Yeah, he can take a shot. He also is super calm in the storm. He doesn't get flustered when things aren't going his way. Even when he went back to the ring, or back to his corner, in between rounds, after the second round with Tupori, he's like, yeah, hit me with a great liver shot. He's like, saying that, like, complimenting his technique.

2:11:02You know, because Ilya's boxing, it's like, it's fucking nasty, man. When he starts putting those combinations on people, he's fucking nasty. I just think he's too small for 55. I don't think he's a 55-pounder. He's fucking nasty. I just think he's too small. 55. I don't think he's a 55 pounder. He's not a 55er. When you have guys that are, you know, like your size and Benoit Saint-Denis and these really big 55ers and you look at him next to those guys. Hoofy, Hoofy towers over him. You know, and if he's primarily a striker, he's got to fight Hoofy. And I think it's a bit embarrassing for him. He wears heels. Have you seen the shoes he wears when he does press conferences? I have not seen. He wears shoes with like a six inch thing on them.

2:11:36Like a cowboy boot. Oh, it's sad, you know. It's sad. Imagine being that little lad where you've got to wear high heels. It's one of the reasons why he's so mean. He probably is, like. Hey, reckon them beers are cold enough now? Reckon they'll be cold enough in that fridge? Oh, here we go. We're just starting to get started, ladies and gentlemen. I think Graham will probably give you that willies as well, to be fair. So, the thought was, like, that if he was going to come back, he was going to come back somewhere around April. That's when I want to fight him. Yeah, you and him in April. I wanted to fight him yeah you and him in April I wanted to fight in Miami again I love fighting in Miami

2:12:14yeah Miami was fun place love fighting there the weather was great you know what I mean all the people there were great I'd love to go back there and fight there again but now I'm seeing that it looks like they could be doing Brooklyn in April oh really yeah interesting hmm interesting I'd well rather fight in Miami Now I'm seeing that it looks like they could be doing Brooklyn in April. Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting. Hmm, interesting. I'd well rather fight in Miami than Brooklyn because it's not even like it's MSG. Right, but Brooklyn is fun. They're going to do it at the Barclays. Where are they doing it? Yeah, at the Barclays Center where the basketball is. If you go to Brooklyn, I'll take you to, well, you can't eat if you're going to fight it.

2:12:46I'm going to take you to Peter Luger's Steakhouse. Sounds good. Oh, there's a legendary steakhouse in Brooklyn that's been there since probably like the 1800s. Yeah. Every time I'm in Brooklyn, I got to eat there. Peter Luger's. When Jamie comes back, I'll show you Peter Luger's Steakhouse. They bring these steaks out. They're always cooked perfectly, and they come out sizzling with butter on them. Nice. Oh my God, dude. Love a good steak, me. Like, love a good steak. But this place has been cooking steak since, you know, since the fucking Civil War. It's like, it's like it's an old-ass place and they've been around forever. It's like a legendary Brooklyn establishment. I don't think it's a meal

2:13:26unless it has meat on it. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I just don't understand how you can be a vegan. The fuck is going on with these people? If I get past a place that hasn't got meat on it, I'm like, where's the main ingredients? Yeah, I know a few guys that try to compete as vegans in MMA, and I'm like, I just don't think that's wise. Yeah, well... At the very least, you should be eating eggs. We have Shem in our gym, and he's... basically a vegan. Is he a vegan? He's not. He's like a pescatarian. Rollies? Who brought... Did you bring these? Yeah, yeah. Rollies. This is something I've invested in. Super natural lager. It's only 89 calories, but still 4.4%. We got it. Felix, don't call Steve Austin

2:14:10cheers here we go that's good don't get a hangover that's good loads of B vitamins in it what's in it B vitamins yeah for real so you don't get a hangover the next day is that how it works yeah are you sure it's like like 12 years of science or something went into this. For real? I weren't involved in the 12 years of science. Don't get me wrong. Wait a minute. I've just invested recently. Oh, wow. It really does have a bunch of vitamins in it. Wow. Okay. I done it a couple of months ago when I first was getting them. Oh, there's a whole label. It says the science. I can't read it. It's just mom. I'm getting old. When I was first getting involved with them, we went and done like a launch party with them,

2:14:56and I must have drank about 15 pints of it. B3, B5, B6, and B8? Brewed for balance. Yeah, it says magnesium, potassium, vitamins, B3, B5, B6, and B9. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. There's only 89 calories, and that's all it helps me. But small, too. It's a small can. Yeah, I think it's like, what is it? Six ounces, maybe? I go in milliliters. I think it's like 330 milliliters. That's the kind of coke. What a dumb thing America did by never adopting the metric system. They tried when I was in, I guess I was in high school. They started trotting that out. They taught us the metric system. And I was like, well, that makes more sense. Everything's tens. And then they tried it for a little while.

2:15:43And I was like, nah, fuck you. Inches. Yeah, it's almost normal. It's 11.16 fluid ounces. This is? Yeah. Really? Yeah. God, why does it seem so small? And it's like 330 mil, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. It's just like a can of Coke. Very good, though. It's a solid beer. And if it's got vitamins in it, too. Yay. How much alcohol is in these? They're 4.4%. Oh, okay. So it's got more. I think that's more than a Budweiser, isn't it? It's probably similar. More similar, yeah. Canada doesn't fuck around. They have some 9% beers. Their beers are heavy. Yeah, someone was telling me the other day about the Japanese one. Oh, yeah? It's something like 14% or something. Which one's that? If you drink one of them,

2:16:26you basically shit face. Really? Yeah. Japanese don't fuck around either. Some of them tell me about that. I was like, what? I have a friend who did business over there. And they say, like, if you go out with these businessmen, like, you are getting hammered. Yeah. And it's not like, no, no, thank you. I don't want to drink. Uh-uh. You guys are going to do business together? You got to get fucked up. It's like, Chrome Gracie needs to see you roll. They need to see you hammered. They need to see, who are you when you're drunk? That's the thing, that's what most business meetings are though, aren't they? Most business meetings, people think, oh, you sit around and say, let's get in shit face with each other

2:17:00and get in to know each other. Yeah, well, that's how men get to know each other. Like, if I meet a guy, and he's fucked up when he drinks. I'm like, okay, can't hang out with Mike. Mike gets hammered and he becomes a problem. Whereas if you meet a guy who's just jolly, you know, I like a guy who's drunk and is just more fun. Like Shane Gillis. Like when he's drunk, he's just Shane Gillis drunk. He's more fun. Like it's a good guy to drink with. It's like a good man to drink with is a good man. A bad man to drink with is a good man yeah a bad man to drink with is a problem dude you know so if i was a japanese businessman i get it yeah we're gonna about to be involved with some giant venture with this gentleman let's see how he handles his liquor

2:17:41yeah no that's the good thing about my mates i do i've grew up i'm still mates with like people i went to nursery with and really yeah Yeah. Oh, wow. All my close friends. There's about eight, nine of us. I've known them since I was, like, five, six years old, and, like, the rest of them, 11, when we went to senior school. Do you still live in the same neighborhood? Yeah. Wow. Still, like, my mother's house is about a 10-minute walk from my house. Is it hard to get around now? Like, do you get stopped everywhere? Oh, everywhere we go, people ask for pictures and stuff. Someone was asking me this the other night because I was actually, I was out with my mates having a drink on Saturday. And obviously people are coming over

2:18:17asking for pictures and that. And they say, no, isn't that annoying? And I'm like, no, it can be at certain times. But the way I look at it is people aren't asking me for pictures. I'm not doing well, am I? Right, right. Most people that come up to you other than the internet, but the real world, in the real world, most people that come up to you are nice. Yeah. And most people that don't like you, they just avoid you. Yeah. The people, like, people always say, oh, has anyone, like, come up to you and tried stars on you? And that's never happened to me, you know? Not once. No one's ever come over and, like, tried to act hard and, like, try and have a fight with me. That has never, not once in my life

2:18:51happened to me since people know me that's never happened no one's ever like like I've seen other fighters saying that people coming over to them starting on them and like I've never had that once in my life well that's good hopefully that stays that way hopefully in Liverpool everyone knows Liverpool's small especially compared to like America Liverpool's small everyone knows everyone to America. Liverpool's small. Everyone knows everyone. Right. Or you know someone who knows the person. Right. You know what I mean? So everyone is just sad. I look at everyone's cool because everyone knows everyone. You can't really forget where you come from in Liverpool because if you do, people will remind you where you come from.

2:19:29Yeah. You know what I mean? That's probably good, right? Yeah, it is. Keeps you humble. And probably, you have massive support there too. If you did something in Liverpool, everybody's going. That's what I mean. Yeah. That's what I'd love to do. How big is this stadium? On a day of football, it's like 60,000. But then that's obviously without the floor seats, what you'd have with the pitch. So it'd be at least 70. So they just have to buy 70,000 umbrellas. Let's go. How much would that cost? All the stadium seats, a lot of them are covered up. How much is an umbrella? 10 bucks? Less. Probably a cheap umbrella. Yeah, why don't they do that? So just allocate some money for umbrellas. As I say, part of the stadium, you wouldn't need that many umbrellas because they're on the cover.

2:20:16Okay. So the stands have covers over them. Right. Know what I mean? Okay. So it'd just mainly be the floor seats and the people at the front rows of them. That would be sick. It'd be unbelievable, lad. Just figure out a way. Look at that. Like that, yeah? Yeah. I went to see Bruce Springsteen there last year. Oh, really? I went to watch Bruce Springsteen, and I've seen Elton John there. Wow. How's Elton John? How's Elton John live? Sick. Wow. I ended up seeing him three times in one summer. Really? I've seen him in Chicago with Portnoy. Wow. Then I've seen him in Anfield, and I've seen him at Glastonbury. Wow. Look at him. Bruce was great. But as I say, that's not even the full stadium because they need to have one.

2:20:52Like on a match day, that's all full. Right, right, right. And then the pitch. And the pitch should have seats on and off. You can't have people to the left or right because they can't see. Yeah, because they can't see. But on like an actual match day, it's... Like that. Holy shit. Yeah, so like that with some sort of a cover over the top. Yeah, it's. Like that. Holy shit. Yeah. So like that with some sort of a cover over the top. Yeah, it'd be like that. Yeah, just a spend a cover. As you say, you only need a little cover over the octagon to make sure we're not getting wet. Right. If everyone else can get wet, they'll still be having a good time. Well, it seems to me that if they had enough time, they could engineer something that would go over the entire top.

2:21:29Yeah, definitely. I don't know. Maybe that's too much money. Yeah, top. Yeah, definitely. I don't know. Maybe that's too much money. Yeah, I don't know. I'm thinking like, yeah, maybe not. It's too big. It's fucking huge. But that would be sick. I might fly over for that. Like I've seen earlier saying about the Bernabeu. He said it to you. The what? The Bernabeu. What is that? What words are you saying? He said it. I tried to turn it around. The Bernabeu that's Real Madrid's stadium what words are you saying? he said I tried to I turned the Bernabeu Bernabeu when he said it he said like the Bernabeu he said it something like that but that's Real Madrid's football stadium oh ok he mentioned that

2:22:04so is that in Madrid? that's in Madrid yeah ok and like that's an even bigger stadium than ours wow and I'd love to go into enemy territory and punch his head in there. Wow. That'd be even better. I guess that is the word he said. Holy shit, look at the size of that place. And that's got a roof. So here's my thought on MMA. MMA should be fought on a giant field and with no cages, and you should fight with, like, a red line around it, no cage. Everybody can see everything. that's what i think this is also the stadium where they have this insane system for the grass that there's no reason every stadium in america doesn't have this what is it how's the stadium like the stadiums where the nfl plays they play on turf the players hate it it fucks up their knees

2:22:47they all want and it's and they go they get to play on these fields once a year kind of because they're going to play nfl games in uh yeah i went to an nfl game today in london in spare stadium how are they doing this jamie they dug a gigantic hole and made this lift system where like it's watering it under here what yeah it's like i don't know how many i don't know if it's like seven layers but you can see there's one two three four five like six layers holy shit it can raise and trade out, two, three, four, five, like six layers. Holy shit. And it can raise and trade out. Is there a video of this? Can I see it on video? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck. Real Madrid is like one of the richest football clubs in the world.

2:23:23Like possibly the biggest club in the world. People in America have no idea how big soccer is. I'm sorry you guys call it football. That's a... Wow! That's nuts! I don't believe there's any place in America that does anything like this. That's nuts. So it's actual soil and actual grass and it lifts up. This is nuts, man. How much did that cost? I don't know. Holy shit, man. That's insane. Look at this. They can fix one level of it while they do another one. There's lights on the bottom of it. So they fix one level and move one over. Holy shit, man. That's wild. That's futuristic shit right there, though. That's what you do when you have unlimited money. Yeah, I've got unlimited money. How much cocaine was involved in that creation?

2:24:14How much coke did he have to store where someone's like, this is what we're going to do. We have grass under the ground. We have a piston system. Lift it up, move it to the side. And everyone's like, how much money? Who gives a fuck how about money get it done this has never been done before then we do it now it is a fucking it's fucking mad unbelievable idea I've never come up with it I've never even seen that before as I say I think they can even do that so they did have like a UFC on there oh yeah they could take the grass out completely oh and it would just be like a floor a floor yeah yeah You can even do that so they did have a UFC on there. Oh, yeah. You could take the grass out completely.

2:24:51Oh. And it would just be like... A floor. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that would be so dope. But yeah, as I say, it'd be... And they have a roof. Let's go. They actually have a roof. Let's go. I'd fight there. I'd love to fight in places like that. I might have to fly to Spain for that one. That'd be sick. Let's go. That'd be sick. Let's go. I used to fly to Spain for that one that'd be sick let's go that'd be sick let's go I used to fly to all of them man but it got too much it was too much when I was just I was kind of the podcast had just started and I was doing the UFC's like 23 24 weeks a year that's fucking nuts man yeah and look there's just no grass you know what I mean It's just like Woo Bro That's Taylor Swift

2:25:34That'd be loud That's a Taylor Swift concert Yeah I know But for a fight That'd be so loud How many girls Got like Synchronized Mental cycles Because of this Bro A fight in there Would be fucking insane That'd be insane. The atmosphere would be better at Anfield, though. Definitely. The atmosphere would be better at Anfield with loads of Scousers there. Well, it would definitely be more violent. I'm saying that. And dangerous. The amount of Scousers that live in Spain, lad, they'd take over the Bernabeu. Yeah. Well, I remember when the Irish came to Vegas and took over Vegas. When Conor fought McGregor in Vegas, it was the nuttiest fucking thing. Or when Conor fought Aldo in Vegas. Did he fight Aldo in Vegas?

2:26:19Yeah, I think that was Vegas. That was in Vegas and there was another one in Vegas. Chad Mendes was also in Vegas. I had never seen anything like it. They took over Mandalay Bay. They took over the entire casino. It was fucking nuts, man It was nuts like you've never seen anything like it like everywhere some fucking Irish guy got in the hotel Joe Rogan hi, I'm a fucking legend and he's like climbed to the hotel the hotel elevator with me I'm like dude. I'm going up to my room like leave me the fuck alone It would they were everywhere They were singing and cheering. It was madness. It was like the entire fucking, like there's this corridor at Mandalay Bay between like where the shark exhibit is, where the reef is.

2:27:02They have this giant shark tank. It's really cool. The fucking whole corridor is filled with Irish chanting and singing. It was madness. Like, you'd never seen anything like it. Like, I'd say Scousers are more like Irish than anywhere else, than anyone else in England. Because our port is the closest thing to Ireland. So, like, if I went back through my ancestry, I'd probably have Irish in there. Know what I mean? Like, people say Scousers are more like Irish people than they are English people. Right. So, like, Conor McGregor is, like, a typical character that you might encounter? Yeah, he's a nutter, though. He's a nutter. He's a nutter, McGregor. He is a nutter. He's nut, lad. That's why he's so good.

2:27:43Yeah, it is. How do you get so good? You have to be out of your fucking mind. This is it. Put your headphones on just so you can hear this. It was fucking madness. They took over Vegas. This is half of the weigh-in, right? Yeah. Bro, they took over Vegas. Bro, I've been doing this a long time. I first started working for the UFC in 1997. I never saw shit like that. Never. No matter who. I've seen so many people fight. I've never saw anything like that. Where one guy had that much attention. Yeah, I always say people disrespect him. And not now, but he changed the game. You can't disrespect him. Without him, we wouldn't be as mainstream as we are right now. He changed our sport forever. He did.

2:28:40He changed the sport forever. He's like, there's a few characters in history that have elevated. Ronda Rousey was a big one. There's a few characters in history that just raised the profile of the sport. Chuck Liddell was the first. Yeah. Chuck Liddell was the first. Raised the profile of the sport. Just changed the sport where everybody was paying attention to it. And he's one of them. He's one of them where I had casuals, people that didn't know jack shit about MMA, asking me about this Irish guy. Hey, who's this Irish guy? He's fighting in the UFC. Who's this Irish guy? Like everybody knew's this Irish guy? He's fighting in the UFC. Who's this Irish guy? Everybody knew who Conor McGregor was. It was nuts. I had never seen

2:29:16anything like it. It was wild. The weigh-ins were wild. They were wild, man. But I'll tell you what, the greatest fucking weigh-in ever, Khabib, when he fought Conor, all the Irish were there. Khabib has the crazy hat on he goes I'm gonna smash your boy he goes Alhamdulillah I'm gonna smash your boy they're like no no and Khabib had this big smile on his face tomorrow night I'm gonna smash your boy he wasn't lying but it was like see pull up that press conference this to me was like one of my favorites I wish he wouldn't have retired it was like see pull up that press conference this to me is like one of my favorites so soon i love that he did though i wish he wouldn't have retired so soon you know what he says now he says he's better now than he was then yeah his grappling is so

2:30:00much better now put this out hold on you gotta hear this spend your title tomorrow night against conor mcgregor hear the booze first of all I wanna sell humble illa God gave me everything I'll handle nilla I know you got this you don't like this I'll handle nilla tomorrow night I'm gonna smash your boy guys and I wanna say thank you all Irish fans you know all Irish fans, you know, all fans around the world. Because of you guys, this fight has happened. Thank you, guys. And tomorrow night, inshallah, and still. Thank you, sir. Alhamdulillah. I'm going to smash your boy. He's a legend. He's a fucking legend, man. There's these characters that come along, and that's his madness. His madness is discipline and drive, and Conor's madness is just being a fucking wild man,

2:31:03just being completely off the rails. Just off the rails, out of his mind. But, yeah, sure, sure. Conor was able to absorb. Ah, the willies is legit. I don't know how legal or illegal it is in this goofy ass fucking. It's a problem for now. They fucked up. Is that not in this state? Texas, Texas fucked up. They passed some crazy laws banning THC products, and it's probably costing the election. I thought Texas was a bit different to that. I'm not a down on my politics and shit like that. It should be. It's fucking stupid. But if it's legal in California, they expect it to be legal, yeah? Exactly. It's legal in Colorado. It's legal in New York now. It's legal everywhere. Texas is ass backwards when it comes to weed, and it cost them the election.

2:31:53Part of what cost them the election. Yeah, I haven't got a clue about politics. It's all gross. I hate it. I don't like politics at all. Yeah, I have no idea about politics. I'm much more interested in MMA than I am in politics. Yeah. Same. It boils down to reality, man. It's so much more exciting. Jamie, pull up the card for, man. It's so much more exciting. Jamie, pull up the card for this weekend. There's so many good fights on that card. I'm very curious to see what happens with Hokit and Gon because my personal opinion is that Gon is a very unique challenge. Yeah, he is. I keep talking about him. Jon Jones is just that good. He's that good. But I have won still a gun to win because I don't like Josh Hawkey.

2:32:35But then I won Volkov. Volkov deserves his chance of fighting for the belt. Right. I won Volkov to beat Silligan. Bro, Volkov's a fucking crazy story of resilience. Like, the guy's been around forever. He was 10 seconds away from fighting for the world title. Yep. And then got caught by Derek Lewis. Yep. Like, I think he deserves it. So there's Cyril Ghosn and Josh Hogan. I keep talking about this, but I think it's one of the things about Cyril Ghosn, I keep saying, he's one of the first guys that's a really good basketball player that we see fight in MMA. And I think there's something about being good at basketball. And that something is, basketball is like constant plyometrics. You're constantly moving and you're running forward and backwards.

2:33:17And you develop movement that's different than most big guys. Like a lot of big guys are standing in front of each other, which is one of the reasons why I think Johnny Walker is going to fuck a lot of people up at heavyweight. I think he surprised me the other day, to be honest, beating Acosta. When he fucked up Waldo like that, I was like, dude. I'll be honest, I didn't see that coming. I think Johnny Walker should have been heavyweight the entire time. He's probably been cutting a lot of weight to get to 205. Yes. Where now he's got the, his athleticism at 265 is going to fool a lot of people. He's a freak. And he'll probably take a shot better at heavyweight because he's not cutting weight.

2:33:50Wait, he's already taken a shot way better. You know what I mean he'll probably take a shot better than every weight because he's not cutting weights he's taking a shot better than that weight Waldo caught him with some big shots and he took him fine he got knocked down took it fine it's like his chin was entirely fucked up because he was cutting an insane amount of weight to make 205 he's so big he's 6'6 man he's fucking huge I've seen him in the PI he's a big big dude he's huge he's a big dude should have, lad. He's huge. He's a big dude. Should have been a heavyweight the entire time. I'm picking Ghan there, like, personally. Well, I think Ghan, like I said, first of all, his striking is super technical.

2:34:20And he's one of the best athletes in the sport. He's fucking huge. He's a real big, natural heavyweight. There's only two losses in Ghan, who, if he would have stayed on top in that last round, he could have won. Right. And Jon Jones, who are two of last round, he could have won. Right. And Jon Jones, who are two of the best heavyweights of both. Right. And Nganou fought that fight with a fucked up knee. He had a grapple. That would have been very interesting if Nganou didn't win. I think Cochran's going to try and use his wrestling this one. Surely he's got to. He has to. He has to use his wrestling. If he tries to stand with Ngan the level of Gon striking is fucking ridiculous. He's also very hard to hit.

2:34:53We've never seen him really get rocked in the UFC. Taito Iwasa clipped him and hurt him a little bit. Yeah, but then he come back and cheek-holed him. His combinations are fucking lethal. He's so technical. I've only just noticed that. What's that? The reach advantage. He's way bigger. Eight and a half reach advantage. 6'4 and 250 is way bigger than 6'1 and 235 yeah that's a lot bigger I mean even though it's only you know 10 plus pounds on paper looking at that 234 do you reckon he could make 205 100% I think he could make 205 oh he could make 205 easily he said he could make 205 when you look at him he's got fat on him. He's got weight to lose, especially when a guy like you cuts that amount of weight.

2:35:34Yeah. He could easily cut 30 pounds. No problem at all. It wouldn't even be hard. But I think there's a benefit to being a light, fast guy at heavyweight. Yeah, that is definitely right there. Until you fight a heavy, fast guy at heavyweight. Like Cain Velasquez, one of the best heavyweights of all time. 240. He wasn't big at all, was he? Exactly, exactly. Like 240-ish. Yeah, I'm interested. I'm interested in that fight because I'm interested, because I think Hokit, look, that fight that he had with Curtis Blaze was one of the greatest heavyweight fights of all time. Yeah, I was shocked watching that fight, I'll be honest. Because when there's a UFC on it's on at like 4 or 5am in the UK for us

2:36:15so I just I have my phone on do not disturb I wake up the next morning my cameraman comes to ours Blaze comes to ours sets the camera up and I just leave my phone upstairs and then I'll watch it all and I don't know any of the results and I'll sit there and watch it and when I was watching that Blazeades-Hocker fight, I was like, oh, shit. Like, I didn't expect this from Hocker. He's a mad dog. Like, all that crazy shit he talks. And I said to him after the fight, I go, dude, that fight was amazing. He goes, I talked so much shit. He goes, I had a fight like that. I talked so much shit. That's what he said to me inside the cage. Here's one that a lot of people are sleeping on. Kai Bohaglio and Yursi Bulgari.

2:36:55That is a crazy fight. That guy is giant. He's a 6'6 middleweight with world-class kickboxing skills. Like world-class. Kai's going to have to use his grappling there, like definitely. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. But he's got to get close enough to that dude to be able to grapple him. And Yursi is doing the same thing. He's training with Glover and Alex, and they're in Connecticut all together. And there's something about Glover is a genius. Like, he's like a real MMA genius. And what he did with Alex was, like, just give him the grappling skills that were necessary in order to use the kickboxing skills that he has. And that's what they're doing with Yursi as well.

2:37:41I mean, Yursi is a... He's a real problem. Five inches is a lot of height, like, but at the same time, it's easier for Kai to shoot in onto his legs than, isn't it? Yes. So, like, it's... There's that. It's a double-ed, but at the same time, it's easier for Kai to shoot in onto his legs then, isn't it? Yes. So it's a double-edged sword. There's that, but he also can hit you from a further distance. And Abdul Malik was a very good wrestler, and he fucked that dude up. He might have ruined him. That was a rough fight. That was a rough fight to watch. Did you see the fight with Abdul Malik? No, I don't think so. Shh, pull that up, Jamie. Let's see the highlights of that. That was Yursi Bulgari's coming out party in the UFC

2:38:17because Abdul Malik was an undefeated, up-and-coming guy. Maybe he had one fight early in his career he lost. I don't remember. Undefeated in the UFC, very highly regarded by everybody training with him and work with him. Extreme couture. No, was he an extreme couture guy? I think so. I and work with him extreme couture no was he extreme couture guy I think so I think he's extreme couture but everybody that I know that talked about him was like this kid's legit like very legit and I saw his first couple fights and I was like oh man he's he's gonna go somewhere this guy's something and then he fought Yursi Bulgari and the problem is um Yursi Bulgari. And the problem is Yursi is just too tall and too good at striking.

2:38:56Like too good. And in order to... In fact, did he lose the other week in Philly? Yes, he did. Yeah, I was at that. Yes, he did. He didn't look the same either. No, he doesn't. But the problem was he fought not that long after this fight and scooted ahead a little bit so you could see the beating that he was taking. First of all, dude's tough as nails because he got really hurt in this fight, really hurt. Because the problem with a guy who's a good MMA striker, who's learned MMA after learning wrestling and being a good wrestler, is there's a level that you achieve when you start out really young at striking that you're just not going to achieve yeah if that round would have been 3 seconds longer

2:39:40he gets finished I don't know what he's saying if that round would have been 3 seconds longer he gets finished so then the next round he gets really hurt it probably would have been better if it was stopped because in the next round, he gets really hurt. It probably would have been better if it was stopped. Got stopped there, yeah. Because in the next round, he wound up taking a fucking horrendous beating. And Yursi just, he's so technical, man. Like everything is perfect. So every mistake gets elevated and every mistake gets exaggerated as you get tired. And you're taking more punishment. And Yursi's doing everything with perfect efficiency and just perfect technique. He's just too good as a striker.

2:40:18If you're tired and you're also having a hard time hitting him and then you're leaving these openings, this guy's just slowly chipping away your power bank to the left hook to the body. That was a lovely body shot. And just hurt him so bad. And it was the amount of punishment that he took in this fight that I was like, boy, it's great to be tough. It really is. It's a, but there's some times when you cross the threshold of your too tough for your own good. Oh, that was lovely. And that was, that was it. But it was so much punishment over the course of those three rounds you just gotta go i don't know how much a guy recovers yeah i'll be honest though i'd rather go out on my shield know of like what happened with earlier and justin if

2:41:04paul or ellis ever said we're gonna stop the fight i'd say, you fucking know. You know. We're finishing this fight, lad. We're not stopping it. But he had broken orbital bones, though. That's a thing that could lead you to go blind. If I had broken orbital bones, I'd be saying I'm carrying on. I promise you. But wouldn't it be good if someone who loves you said let's live to fight another day? Because the problem is, with broken orbital bones and things along those lines, he couldn't see. If you can't see and it gets worse to the point where you're like Michael Bisping, where he lost vision in one eye. And look, Michael, one of the craziest, toughest guys that's ever walked the face of the earth, fought 11 times in the UFC with one fucking eyeball.

2:41:45He's a sick man. Sick. He's an animal. But most people, that's over. Most people, your career's over. He memorized the eye chart so he could read it out the way he couldn't see. Crazy. But that is not what you want. You don't want to lose a vision in an eye. And if you're in a situation where Ilya is, and he goes out and Justin hits him with a knee to that same eyeball, and that eye goes blind, which is completely possible. I'm just never not stopping. That's the pussy's way out. Wow. That's the bitch's way out. I'm not having it. I'm never going to say no mass on me still. It's not going to happen. I appreciate that. I promise you. Know what I mean? If I was your friend, I'd probably try to stop it.

2:42:28I wouldn't let them. I wouldn't. Say that with fighters, aren't we? I'd pull the doctor aside. No, like that with fighters. I'm going to keep going here until every last breath in my body is gone, until I'm unconscious or I don't do not stop. Well, that's the attitude you need. We're mentally like gladiators when they go to, they had no blood left in their body. Know what I mean what would you say if the UFC had different rules you know like pro wrestling has like crazy matches yeah what if the UFC had a 30 minute time limit fight with one round and you guys agree to it no no stand ups ever zero stand ups no rounds um knees to the head as long as you're not And you guys agree to it. No stand-ups ever. Zero stand-ups.

2:43:11No rounds. Knees to the head as long as you're not against the cage. Soccer kicks. Soccer kicks as long as you're not against the cage. They should have a red line. So within four feet of the cage, put a red line. And you know when the opponent's in that red line, no soccer kicks, no stomps. No knees to the head. I'd be fully game for that. It's not a bad idea. It's not. It's a great idea. It's more real. My other solution was they should start every round in the same position where you ended the last round. Where you finished the last round. Like if you take a guy down and you have him mounted and you're dropping elbows on his head and they should start you out right in that same position.

2:43:52So what I was saying the other day was, like, don't get me wrong, like, people like Marab and that, they're unbelievable fighters, but I don't think that start of his where he got 25 takedowns in a fight, I don't think that's something that should be celebrated because it shows that your control's not good enough to keep him down. Right. In a five-round fight, you should go Islam versus JDM. Right. Took him down five times. Didn't need any more. Right. He took him down five times. Didn't need any more. Controlled him every time. Controlled him every time. Yeah. Like, when it's, like, these stats, like, oh, he took him down, like, 18 times in three rounds. I'm sitting there thinking... That means he got up. That means he got up 17 times. That's not, oh, we took him down like 18 times in three rounds. I'm sitting there thinking... That means he got up.

2:44:31That means he got up 17 times. That's not a good stat. You know what I mean? People celebrate these stats. I'm like, that's not a good stat. If I'm in a five-round fight and I want to grapple, I don't want to have to make more than five takedowns, one in each round, and control him. Literally exactly what Islam done to JDM, because that's what he done, didn't he? He got a takedown in every round and JD them. Literally exactly what Islam done to JDM, because that's what he done, didn't he? He got a takedown in every round and JDM did not get up. He dominated them on the ground. And that's the way I think it should be. People celebrate, oh, he done like 50 takedown attempts in one fight. I'm like, that's not good.

2:45:06Well, I think Marab, what Marab tries to do is just overwhelm you. Overwhelm you with volume. I think that fucked him up in that third fight with Jan. Really? First two rounds, he'd come out too aggressive and too shoot and take down constantly, and he looked tired to me in the fourth round. Yeah. Well, the problem is with Jan, if you're just standing up with him, he starts figuring you out. Yeah. Jan always takes the first round off, doesn't he? You know what I mean like I think he's one of the best strikers in the whole of MMA absolutely his striking is elite phenomenal elite he does a lot of really sneaky shit too like he throws a left hook behind a left kick so you're doing this and whap

2:45:44that body kick he's so good at that I love watching Jan fight I think he's so skillful so skillful though yeah so I think he's fucking... So skillful. So skillful, though. Yeah, so clever. And he's got to have insane work ethic to be able to compete at that pace with Murab for two fights in a row. Those fights were fucking hell. Yeah. Hell. Especially in the fourth and fifth round. In that first one, the first title one, everyone counted them out. Everyone thought, oh, Murab's just going to... Yeah. Because of what happened in the first fight, everyone's like, oh, Murab's just going to... The first fight, in the first fight, everyone's like, oh, Marab's just going to. The first fight, Jan had a fucked up hand.

2:46:14If you watch that first fight again. But no one talks about that after it, dude. Like, oh, Marab dominated in 50-45. Right. Like, it's going to be the same again when they fight for the title. Yeah. But four weight cuts in one year definitely does fuck you up. 100%. Four weight cuts in one year fucks your shit up. Just four fights in one year fucks your shit up. I did want to fight again this year though. I wanted to fight again in like December but then I got a couple of little injuries, a couple of little niggles and I've had to get them better so I couldn't afford to anyway if I wanted to. But that probably would have been like the perfect, like January, July November, December would have been perfect to do three-way cuts

2:46:52when do you start thinking about april like when did they if the in an ideal situation how much time does you if if april really is where you guys are going to fight i need to well i'm going to dubai for new year and then going to thailand for a couple of weeks with my family but i'll probably stay not far from Bangtao, so I'll probably be able to go and train every day and have some good sparring and stuff like that. So I'll be able to train the whole time I'm there. But say I get back 24th, 26th, 24th, 25th, 26th of January, I'd start camp straight away. And where I'm in Thailand and not America, I don't think I'd be as fat. I wouldn't be as heavy because I'm wearing Thailand and not America I don't think I'd be as fat I wouldn't be as heavy because I'm in Thailand

2:47:33and not in America and then that's funny I'd I'd just get home and I'd start a diet straight away February, March and then say it's like the first, second week of April and be sound so when does the UFC contact you for something like that how much time do they usually give you in ideal circumstances it always depends to be honest like because Ilya just made a big post recently saying he's back showed that he's training again like when I fought Chandler I got told before the Christmas that I could be Chandler like I got told before Christmas I didn't fight him until Apriller I got told before the Christmas that it could be Chandler like I got told before I didn't fight him until April but I got told before Christmas

2:48:15it could be Chandler and then it got to like February and nothing was announced and I was like what's going on here and I think Chandler didn't want to fight that soon he wanted to fight in like May or May, June and I just said I don't care if it's Chandler or not I want to fight that date because it's me it was my child's it was the baby's first birthday on the 17th and that was the 12th so I wanted to fight then so then I could spend time with the kids and he ended up saying yeah I'm fighting and then when I fought Gagey everything was up in the air with that as well because of the Ilya thing because Ilya was meant to be we didn't know whether Ilya was fighting what was air with that as well because of the Ilya thing, because Ilya was meant to be,

2:48:52we didn't know whether Ilya was fighting, what was happening with Ilya. And I think that one just got announced on an NFL game, didn't it? I think so. That got announced on it, and I think that was like November, mid-November, so that was like eight weeks out. And then with BSD, I did, when I went to Luke's fight in London, whenever we had fought him, Lerone Murphy, Luke I went to Luke's fight in London, whenever we had fought, Lerone Murphy, Luke had his interview, and I was in the back, and someone asked, when am I fighting? And Dana went, Paddy, when do you want to fight? And I was like, well, I'd like to fight International Fight Week. And then I think from that point on, like, I'd said I was going to fight then,

2:49:26so, and that was March. I think we could find out about, like, it was definitely BSD in, like, April. You know what I mean? So, that was, again, like, 10 find out about, like, it was definitely BSD in, like, April. You know what I mean? So that was, again, like, ten weeks out. So do you start training, like, just as soon as you can, just assuming you're going to be fighting in April? I train every day anyway. Even at the minute where I've got a little injury, I still train every day. Still doing S&C twice a week. Still training five mornings in the gym. You know what I mean? Still doing two hours every morning in the gym. When you're doing strength and conditioning twice a week, what kind mornings in the gym no i mean still doing two hours every morning in the

2:49:51gym when you're doing strength and conditioning twice a week what kind of are you doing what's he got you doing all different sorts of stuff squats deads bench plyometrics obviously once a week we do like cardio at the end like the way paul pa Reid's my nutritionist, my S&C coach, does all our weight cuts with us, you know what I mean, does all my food. Oh, that's convenient. He does everything. He's the man. Like, without him, we'd still be in the dark ages when it comes to making weight. He changed everything on how we make weight. So he's weighing your food out, your calorie count, sodium, everything. Everything. Without him, we'd still be a bit fucked know what I mean Paul Reed is the man

2:50:33like he looks after our whole fight team and he looks after a lot of boxers and stuff like that as well now he's known in the UK as like the man like no one there's no one like him yeah there's a few of those guys that exist that like figure out the science of weight cutting and if you can get them on your side. That's exactly what he's done. Yeah. Like, I'll be honest, the last camp, he had a little bit of a panic with me. Because, like, from the Gagey fight to, like, six weeks before the BSD fight, he weighed, like, I had a Dexascan. And I'd put, like, four like six kilos, I think it was, of muscle mass on. And he was like, you've basically done a dirty bulk. So I don't like what bodybuilders do where they'll just eat loads of shit,

2:51:22but where I was still training every day and I was still having my creatine and having all my things and I was still lifting twice a week. I'd put lots of muscle mass on. So we had to change everything in that camp, where normally I'd have more protein and carbs. I had to switch it. Less protein, more carbs. So you're trying to eat your muscle. Yeah. So I had to get a bit of muscle off to make the weight. Did you feel it in your strength? No, it still felt good. You know what I mean? Did you feel any different in terms of strength it felt a bit stronger like coming up to it because like he said I'd put muscle on without like even meaning it and it felt stronger in the build up and I think that's probably

2:52:01the best shape I've ever been in well every fight ends up being the best shape I've ever been in because you're even fitter than the last time right you build yeah but I can remember being like three weeks out flapping thinking I'm gonna miss weight how much were you over? three weeks out I was about 84kg something like that what is that? 185 wow 180, 185 something like that and I'm thinking 30 pounds yeah but everything he does just works he said we need to change this we need to change that boom started falling off me just follow the process yeah like everything with Paul is a science not on his just like off the top of his head everything he does has got research behind it and it's got a science to it

2:52:46the guy who freaks me out the most right now is Morales you know he's making 170, he's weighing 226. I was having a pint with him in Philadelphia. Me and that rider was funny. It was me friend, Bo Allen. He used to play for the Eagles, he won a ring with the Eagles. And lad, he was sat next to Morales. He'd never been to a UFC event before, Bo. And he's like sitting there talking to Morales, asking him little things. Doesn't know that he's like ranked two in welterweight you know what I mean Bo's like that was like a nose guard whatever it is big unit he's like 265 pounds and he's asking like Morales things about the fight you know what I mean and he ends up sitting there having pints at him

2:53:24and at the end of it when we went he was like that dude next to me was cool man I'm like yeah you know what I mean he was like no who's he he's like he's like ranked two in welterweight he's one of the best fighters in the world he was like that dude next to me was cool man I'm like yeah you know what I mean he was like no who's he he was like lad he's like ranked two in welterweight lad he's one of the best fighters in the world he was like no shit brother it was funny as fuck that's funny they didn't even tell him that is very funny he was just sat there talking to him for ages lad it was hilarious him and Prates that's gonna be a scruff very interesting that's gonna be a scruff very interesting

2:53:49like I think Prates has come to our gym and Prates is one of the coolest men you'll ever meet, lad. He's so funny, lad. I believe it. Smokes, drinks. He was in Manchester last year and we had the gym night out and he got to the pool that night and someone was messaging him and we were like, we were in this place, we were in a place called Jenny's Bar, on the gym night out, and we got him to come and see us, and I was only drinking water as well, I wasn't even on the aisle, and we had him in the bar with us, you know what I mean, he was like, it was great lad, he's such a cool dude, glad he was boss, and then he had a seminar in the gym the next day, and then we took him to Anfield, see in that video where I'm lighting a cigarette for him?

2:54:33That was outside Anfield. We took him on the Anfield tour. That one, yeah. We took him on the Anfield tour, lad. He is one of the coolest dudes about, lad. He's a lot of fun, man. One of the nicest fellas ever. He's a hilarious lad and he can fight like fuck. Oh, man. What he'd done to JDM was shocking it was filthy a lot of people didn't see that coming it was filthy it was so nasty so good that knee to the body that he throws where he sets you up he starts throwing low kicks he starts throwing punches and you get the measurement of the punch and he steps behind it with that knee to the body. That's one of the worst beatdowns I've seen in a while. Into a world champion. A former world champion.

2:55:18A guy who's an elite striker. It was bad. Well, Prates, you know. And even, like, he knocked. Leon hadn't been knocked out before that, had he? Before Prates, he just lost, like, decisions and subs. Jeff Neal, when does he ever get knocked out? Right. And Pratt has starched him. Yeah. He's fucking dangerous. Real dangerous and super comfortable. The thing about him, too, is a step in. That's against Rocky, who fights Wonderboy this weekend. He's nasty, bro. He's fucking nasty and he's so calm and comfortable in there and so relaxed. You know, it's like, he fought fucking nasty and he's so calm and comfortable in there and so relaxed you know it's like he fought he lived in Thailand for like five or six years

2:55:57and he fought over a hundred times in Thailand while he lived there so he's constantly fighting so if you think a hundred fights in five years is nuts yeah that's fucking nuts he's just constantly fighting and he just got super he he's fighting every week. Yeah. Which is what they do. He's like, the only way you get money is if you fight. Yeah. So you've got to fight constantly. I think he's brilliant. He's one of my favorite fighters to watch now. Me too. That is just so fun to watch. You know what you're getting every time. So clever. And just the way he sets things up, he's just like constantly reading you. And then he throws these off-speed punches and off-speed kicks. And then blap! And then one comes in.

2:56:39The only thing with welterweight is... What about Shafkat? Right. Apparently, he's still struggling with his knee. Which is from the Ian Gary fight. It's crazy how he's been out now for what? Nearly two years Well Ian Gary hit him with that oblique kick to the knee and fucked his knee up Do you think that should be made illegal? It is going to be made illegal Do you think? Yes I know I don't think it should be though I think we're announcing it right now Yeah I don't think people know but it's going to be made illegal I don't think that should be made illegal So you think that it should just be a thing you have to deal with? Yeah, just like everything else when you have a fight. I agree in some ways, but the problem is it ends careers.

2:57:17It can change your career forever. Tiago Santos against Jon Jones, never the same again. The worst, I can remember the worst one I ever seen was Khalil Ramsey against Modestos. Oh, yeah, man. That was the night of my debut. Oh, yeah, that's right. That was when I had my debut. That sidekick to the knee, that was horrible. that sidekick to the knee and the noise like he screamed well that was the first one that we ever saw that ended the fight Shavkat he kept fighting you know Rizboyev recently he got his knee blown out by oh it was MVP MVP blew up Rizboyev's knee same thing he immediately went right into surgery and he I mean Rizboya's knee. Same thing. He immediately went right into surgery.

2:57:51And he probably, I mean, Riz Boya is a giant middleweight, fucking really interesting guy. Who knows where his career is now? I just think it's like... It is what it is. It is what it is. It's another path of fighting. There's an argument for that. I think, though, for the... I don't think 12 to 6 elbows ever should have been illegal. Ever. You know why that was illegal, though, right though right yeah because of the karate board yeah it's hilarious it's just so stupid though isn't it the people in the commission thought it was too deadly because they were breaking bricks like Jon Jones should be undefeated that's another fight I watch a lot except for the Dominic Reyes fight oh yeah I think Dominic got him

2:58:29I think a lot of people think that I think a lot of people think that and John thought it after the fight he's like I think I might have been bested tonight yeah first three I thought Reyes won the first three and then the championship rounds I think so too but I think it didn't take him enough and Reyes still had his moments and it's just amazing how these fights change the course of careers yeah you know there is a lot like that I think the worst decision I think I've ever watched live It's just amazing how these fights change the course of careers. Yeah. You know? There is a lot like that. I think the worst decision I think I've ever watched live, though, was Shogun Machida. Yes. I thought that was terrible at the time.

2:59:03That was a bad decision. You're right. At the time, I can remember watching that thinking, wow, how's he going to do that? Shogun came back with vengeance in that second fight. Yeah, in that second fight, he came back angry. You're right. Yeah, that was a bad decision. I don't know if it's the worst, but it was definitely a bad one. It was a bad one. But Shogun's probably in my favorite fight of all time. Oh, he's one of the greatest. Dan Anderson. Yeah. That was... Ooh, craziness Henderson. Yeah. That was... Ooh, craziness. Unbelievable. Just absolute chaos. And that was late in his career. Yeah. After the Pride fights, right? After the Pride wars. You know, because the Pride wars were fucking bananas, man.

2:59:42And I always think about him breaking his arm that time. When he showed him, based out on his arm, just... Who was that again? Was it Randleman? No, it wasn't Randleman or was it I can't remember who it was I remember who it was but he Sokhaju was it maybe Sokhaju I can't remember I don't remember either but I can remember him like just basing out in his arm I completely forgot about that until you brought it up yeah when I first got into MMA like I can remember going down a proper rabbit hole proper proper rabbit hole just getting into all the old school fights what's this who was like your favourite fighter when you were coming up when I first started watching I think it was Big Nug because of like Brad

3:00:24yeah I remember watching that fight against Bob Sapp when he got two on his head and he still won yeah and arm barred him Bob Sapp when he got two on his head and he still won. Yeah, and armbarred him. Bob Sapp was 350 pounds with abs. Crazy. With abs. Rampage. We used to love Rampage Jackson. Oh, yeah, man. The fight that got me into MMA, though, I was like 14 in the youth club and one of the lads, Kyle Wilson, was watching the UFC at the time, put a fight on. And it was Diego Sanchez and Clay Greeter. Oh, that one was chaos and that they just ran at it what are you laughing at Jamie sorry what what's so funny Mark Coleman freaking out after this arm break oh it was Mark Coleman yeah but watch the

3:01:00the referee he can't stop him he's like going crazy grabs his little leg just tossed him to the side he's going crazy because he didn't know the fight was stopped yet, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. He had his arm. For some reason, I thought it was like someone else. But yeah, his arm snapped. Yeah, Clay Green and Diego Sanchez. Crazy that he was even fighting Mark Coleman. I know, and he's about 50 pounds heavier than him. He's an 85-pounder in the UFC. And here he is fighting Mark Coleman, who was the former UFC heavyweight champion. Clay Green and Diego Sanchez oh madness that was straight up madness unbelievable yeah madness yeah first live main event I watched was Belfort versus Rich Franklin oh that was a good one

3:01:45that was a good one UFC 103 I'm gonna join the gym like two weeks later I was decided the rest is history listen brother it's been a fun history you've done a lot already and you've got a lot more to go and it's it's very exciting yeah I'm glad we finally did this I know it's been a long time coming a lot of you waiting to go on this for ages yeah thank you very much brother thank you for having me Joe I appreciate you I'm looking forward to seeing you hopefully April hopefully hopefully we get to beat someone up in April but we'll see what happens the coming months coming weeks see what happens with the lightweight division because it is in a bit of a close to fuck at the minute it's a crazy division

3:02:21but it's an awesome division and then if that's true as well Usman is just being signed then there's another head in the mix as well yeah another one it's a great division. Thanks, brother. It was a lot of fun. Bye, everybody. Thank you, Joe.