Answered from 581. Trump and Putin vs. Zelensky: Is Europe Sleepwalking into Disaster? · The Rest Is Politics · 2026-10-20
Rory Stewart compares Europe to someone living with a wealthy, abusive spouse who asks how they would ever cope on their own. He concedes the spouse has a point: Europe would be worse off building its own Patriot missiles, satellites and AI systems. He argues the dependence is now a threat to national security in itself, so Europe has to plan 10 to 15 years ahead and leave anyway.
“the only way that you're going to get out of a relationship with a bully is through them bullying you.” Rory Stewart · at 29:14 — open in the transcript →
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