The Richard Gere Gerbil Conspiracy

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2:16A masculine and long-lasting fragrance for every day. A bold scent with sensual musk and woody notes. Myself, Yves Saint Laurent. Hello and welcome to this episode of the Restors Entertainment Questions and Answers Edition. I'm Marina Hyde. And I'm Richard Osmond. Hi everybody. Hello Richard. Hello, how are you? I'm fine, thank you. How are you? I'm very, very well. I have a question for you. Yeah. Well, I don't have a question for you. O'Shane has a question for you. And that question is, with Glee returning, i've been thinking about the long-held unfounded rumor that leah michelle can't read what's your favorite unfounded hollywood rumor there are so many good ones um and they're all so interesting really yeah i i mean she can definitely read

3:17john peters who was this legendary hollywood film producer monster his his hairdresser started out as uh and then he became, it's kind of fearsome and actually really massive failure producing. There's a good book about it called Hit and Run. I'm not clear that he can read and there was always a rumour that John Peters couldn't read. So I don't know. There's some really epic ones. There's, oh my God, the hanging munchkin in The Wizard of Oz. People said that a munchkin committed suicide on the set of The Wizard of Oz and you can see the shadow hanging in the back of Oz. People said that a munchkin committed suicide on the set of The Wizard of Oz and you can see the shadow hanging in the back of frame.

3:49Oh, no. Yeah, it's a bird. Just sorry to... But that was one that went for ages. I've always loved Walt Disney's body being cryogenically frozen and kept under the lake. That's always a fascinating one. Apparently not true, right? No, it's not true. There are more people cryogenically frozen in palm springs than anywhere else in the world but per capita population yeah yeah wow that's the cryogenic freezing center of the universe have you driven past the warehouses i'm not sure it would say on the outside what they were no you need to find it's like a black site it's also it's a hot place to be frozen yeah okay stanley kubrick shooting the moon landings that's i mean these are the ones that have a real sort of cultural purchase but the one i would say that i think is

4:30just the most amazing one and it's really fascinating is if i just say the word gerbil you know and i think this is really fascinating okay yeah this is a rumor this is pre-internet ages is pre-everything rich Richard Gere, who was a big movie star, people, it was said that he'd been admitted to an emergency room with a gerbil stuck up his bottom. Yeah. And this became... Oh my God, I remember that so well. Yeah, yeah. This was pre-internet. It was one of those things, he was constantly asked about it in interviews. We should point out it's unfounded. And Sylvester Stallone, they really hated each other when they were filming Lords of Flatbush and people said that Stallone started it. Other people said that it was retaliation

5:13from getting close to the Church of Scientology and then pulling away from them. There are so many things that is brought into this. And actually what's amazing, I can't believe this question has come up right now, or maybe it was a leading question, because The Hollywood Reporter has done a 12-episode podcast series on this. It's just come out, and they've had about three episodes. I've listened to the first two already. Just about the gerbil? It's called Gerbil. Wow. If anyone says the word gerbil, it's bizarre. There is an actual semantic mapping in people's head of our generation. You would be thinking of Richard Gere within a nanosecond. Hamster, Freddie Star, gerbil richard yeah and anyway it's kind of an incredible thing to do a 12 episode deep dive podcast on but as i said it brings in so many different things

5:56um and the hollywood report has done it now it's it's out now it's called gerbil i've listened to first two it's fascinating they've got some really good interviews. Who were they interviewing on that? Oh, my God. There were so many different people. No, no, no. There were so many different people. There were like people from, there are sort of talent agents. There are, actually, I'm not going to spoil it because some of them are quite good. They've got lots of interesting and surprising interviews. And I just love it when someone brings proper investigative reporting to something, to an issue like this. I mean, it would have had very high stakes for Richard Gere, I want to say. But culturally, in some ways, it feels like it has no stakes for our culture.

6:32It's really interesting. It reminds me a tiny bit of that Dead Eyes podcast, which I love. Where just the actor who's turned down by Tom Hanks for a role because he said he had dead eyes and then does like a two series thing. Which is so brilliant. Which becomes much bigger everything yeah yeah yeah richard the amount of questions i've had and heard about this you are doing beat luke littler yes this week heading up there this evening yes and there's been a lot of questions about it i'm going to ask you two questions okay i wonder if these are the two things i've been asked most often in the last month yeah steven says how did they find the 20 amateurs competing against Luke Littler? Aside from being amateurs, what were the casting directors looking for?

7:10And the other question is, as Beat Luke Littler is a live show on Netflix, what happens if someone beats Luke immediately? Is that the end of the game? That's the question I get asked most. Yes. And the answer to that is yes, that is the end of the game. And that's why I wanted to do it, because it's sport and it has to be real and we've got 20 players and yeah if the first person beats luke littler they win 501 000 pounds and that is it that is that money gone uh and that is you know 15 minutes of television uh for the price of three hours worth of television netflix understand that all sports fans understand that you know we've all paid per view for boxing matches that are over in 15 seconds so yes that is the truth we we we have

7:49a a little stop gap which i won't say what it is because we might not have to use it if one of the first few people uh wins we have there is another pot of money and a very different style of tournament that also involves luke that Luke that we will then play, which I think will be a lot of fun as well. And in terms of you, we've talked a lot about, you know, as producers, that's the interesting question about it. And, you know, if you produce the football, you know it goes for 90 minutes plus extra time. You know it does. If you produce, you know, darts or boxing or snooker, things can end much quicker. You know, if someone wins 9-0 at snooker, your program is two hours shorter than if they win nine eight as you say if you're watching the

8:29boxing and someone wins in the first round and you've got two hours to fill you know the nice thing with this is it's open-ended so if it go full 20 people play we go full 20 if it's you know three or four or one then as i say we do have, we've got another very, very cool thing, which we're going to do, but it will be shorter than it would otherwise have been. Yeah, it's not going to be the case that everyone will share that 500 and 1000 pound or that everyone who beats him will get 500 and 1000 pound because what would that be 20? 10 million, if, if they all managed to do it. So that's the kind of that's why I said yes to the show, because you have no idea what's going to happen. It's so lovely to make a bit of TV where you have no idea of what's going to happen.

9:11My view is, and I'll also say it's the view of mathematicians, someone will definitely beat him. It's 20 legs in a row. And the reason someone will beat him is because of the audition process. So these people are all amateurs. And when you start talking about what an amateur is, it's quite difficult. Because one of them is Fallon Sherrick. Absolutely very big on the Werns tour. It was played at Alexander Palace. First female darts player to win a match at Alexander Palace. There's Mitchell Lorry, who was going to be world number one at some point in his life. He's 14, 15 now, a Scottish kid. And there's some very, very, very highly ranked darts players in those 20. So what you have to do eventually, because darts has various tours,

9:51you've got the PDC, which is the famous one. Then you've got the Modus Tour. You've got Challenger Tours. You've got all sorts of people who are playing darts for money across the year. If you have every single person who enters the last 256 of a Challenger tournament, there are no darts players left who would be able to do this thing. So we essentially have said, if you don't have a tour card, if you don't have a PDC tour card, you can play in this game. And, of course, the other thing that happened is everyone who doesn't have a tour card saw this and thought, well, I'm going to apply. So Fanon Sherrick applied online. And there's other, you know, Mitchell Laurie applied online. And they all went to auditions.

10:28And the auditions, they had to get down from 501. And anyone who got down in 24 darts or under was considered to be on the show. There's various bits in the format where you'll be able to choose between two players and stuff like that. But really, every single person there is a good darts player. Some of them are very, very good darts players. You you know we've given them seeding so you know exactly how how good each one is and they'll be scattered throughout the evening in terms of the auditions you know you want people who can win you know who with a fair wind are able to beat him but also you just that you want to watch and you know a different you know just people from all walks of life you know i've looked at the three dart averages of these players i would be shocked beyond words if we don't give

11:10away five hundred and one thousand pounds so you're going to see somebody it's really exciting throwing one dart for half a million pounds that's the only that's the only thing that makes me sort of hesitate in my judgment is i know those players are good enough that one of them out of 20 yeah we'll beat him you know he'll have an off leg they'll have a good leg but they are going to hesitate in my judgment is I know those players good enough that one of them out of 20 will beat him you know he'll have an off leg they'll have a good leg but they are going to have to in front of a big live audience throw a single dart at a single double for 501,000 pound and is that humanly possible would be my question it's incredibly exciting but yeah if the first

11:41person wins it we have a very different show on our hands. But I mean, that's the fun of the thing. But it starts at seven o'clock on Friday night, live on Netflix. And yeah, it's going to be very, very exciting. Gary Lineker's doing it. Lee Mack, Laura Turner is on it. I mean, it's going to be quite the operation, I would say. Here's one for you, Marina, from Ali, who says, Paramount announced that Steven Spielberg has signed up to become the executive producer of the Transformers franchise. I didn't realize the last film made almost half a billion dollars why do they need spielberg to help them out that is a very good question it is a very lucrative franchise it's made they've got seven of them and the last one

12:16was in 20 yeah it's like you know if you don't know transformers it's the autobots versus the decepticons oh i know transformers my son loved the Autobots versus the Decepticons. Oh, I know Transformers. My son loved Transformers. Yeah. He still does it, if I'm honest. Yeah, so it's one of Paramount's franchises, and that's significant here. Michael Bay might direct. Now, remember, he did the first one and sequel, Revenge of the Fallen. He is the zen master of blowing stuff up. I've seen both of those movies, by the way, in the cinema. Yes, so have I, actually. Enjoyed them. Yeah. But Spielberg, yeah, he produced the original one and he was one of the people who helped choose Michael Bay. Remember that Michael Bay sort of announced himself

12:57with Bad Boys and things like that. And Steve Spielberg was also involved in Revenge of the Fallen, which was sort of less well-loved. But the whole point of this, the whole point entirely, because I don't think Steven Spielberg is going to be spending too much of his time on this, is that it's a move for Paramount or Skydance, as we now have to call it, to say, our big franchises are in blue chip hands. We are committed to theatrical release and we have the great cinematic directors and Michael Bay joke. Well, let's face it. And everyone, we are long and strong in people who want to bring our franchises to the screen and curate them and really look after them. And we care desperately about theatrical release.

13:41This is literally why they're doing that. It just sends a message to people and you'll be seeing much more of this sort of stuff i think just adding names and can you tell us why spielberg is doing it without the use of a cash till register noise well i suppose actually because he also we know the one thing he really cares about is theatrical release he particularly cares about it he cares about um kind of the stewardship of cinema. He obviously cares about now two studios have united and they're supposedly committed to at least for the first two years to 30 or 31, whatever it is, theatrical releases. One of those studios being the Autobots, the other one being the Decepticons. Yeah. Everyone is interested in saying nothing's going to change.

14:21In fact, if anything, we're taking more care over these things. And so lots of people are invested in that and I think you'll see lots more of over these things. And so lots of people are invested in that. And you'll see, I think you'll see lots more of those kind of... From the world of? Yeah, sort of designer, executive producer credits that are just like, oh, it looks prestige. James Patterson, who we've talked about before, the writer who writes stuff with lots of people and did the Mr. Beast book and done books with Bill Clinton. He's just co-writing a romantic series now. And he said it's not for the money, it's because I've always been interested in the genre. Shagging, shagging. I imagine it was something similar to that.

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17:15I want to make it mainly because I didn't have any sort of religious upbringing. So there's none of it really, none of that stuff hits home particularly. It was never banned in the cinemas either. They banned it on VHS for a long time because of, because's supposedly supposedly um so horrific but i grew up in the 80s when the world of video nasties yes was around and some of the names of them of course you you can still remember like these movies that are so horrific they were banned it was called video nasties because everyone lots of people will not actually know. They were commonly referred to as Video Nasties. The two I remember most of all, I don't know what it was like at your school or the schools of anyone listening.

17:51Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And I was like, you are kidding me. Because that does everything. It says on the tin. And I Spit on Your Grave. Yeah. Those are the two where I was like, honestly, those to me, they're like my rosebud. There's like some kind of, I couldn't even begin to imagine what was going on in those movies. And those are banned on VHS for ages. Often when things are banned, it's not actually for how scary they are. It's because there's violence in them. Those are the things that got those things banned. They're regarded as sort of politically or culturally dangerous, things like a clockwork orange or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But there is, you'll be delighted to know Brandon,

18:32that's a good horror name, by the way, Brandon. Yeah. That's someone who dies first in a horror movie. Where's Brandon? He went down to the Cera to get a candle. Maybe his girlfriend will survive to the end. That'd be nice, Brandon. There's something to think about this Halloween. The science of scare is an anal experiment. It measures an audience's physical response to a horror movie, right? So it measures their heart rate and their heart rate variability. So it's literally, it puts people in front of lots and lots of horror movies, measures them, and so it has an accurate score of what is the scariest movie of all time. And it measures it out of 100, okay, in terms of what happens to your heart rate during these movies.

19:15And to give you like a base level, Shrek holds a scare score of 3 out of 100, okay? So that is Shrek. The highest scare score ever recorded was 96 out of 100. Pushed the audience's heart rate up 34%. And that is from 2012, the scariest movie of all time. If you want to watch the scariest movie of all time at Halloween, you may want to. That movie is Sinister. Sinister from 2012 is officially the scariest horror movie of all time i will be watching shrek but if you choose to you can watch sinister you're the three percent who just finds even that bit a little much yeah i'm like you know what get it down to two and uh and and and i'm interested it's interesting they've you know The first ever Nosferatu was banned in 1922

20:06for being too scary. It is unsettling. That's Shadow on the Stair. But it's now a PG, which goes to show how things change. Do you know what? I never did go back and watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre or I Spit on Your Grave. I've seen both of those. Have you? Yeah. Recommend? Yes, recommend. Strong recommend. All interesting cultural artifacts. Saw movies, I've watched them, but with my hand covering half of the screen at any given time. If the scary thing is happening at the top half of the screen, I'm covering the top half of the screen. If the scary thing is happening at the bottom half, I'm covering that. Left-hand side, covering that. Present but not involved. Present but not involved. Absolute plausible deniability at all times.

20:49So I've got a rough idea of the story. Yeah. I can get involved in the characterization, but I don't see any of the scary. Hostel, that's another one. I don't know why I watch horror films. Yeah. It's terrifying me. It's very not you. Hostel, like scary films that could happen in real life. That's why The Exorcist doesn't scare me. Yeah. So I'm like, well, this isn't going to happen. Or isn't it? Whereas if I might go hitchhiking. You know what I mean? I probably wouldn't, but I might do. Yeah. I can't see it now, but I can see it at some point in your, you know, notional past. Maybe I'll have like a gap year at some point. Just, you know, throw caution to the wind. Sit the old thumb out on the Route 66 no no you can't you would be so terrified you would be so murdered yes you would be so murdered yeah but uh yeah sinister that's your answer brandon now

21:36this next question is brought to you by lloyds we said before instead of do adverts why don't you just ask us a question that uh we could uh give an to. And they've done just that. Callum from Lloyd's has asked. Which blockbusters almost never happened only for a stroke of luck to save the day? Now, they know we like talking about all these stories. Can I just make an immediate case? Yes. For Toy Story 2. During production in 1998 of Toy Story 2, an accidental command began deleting it from Pixar's servers, from the master servers by the time they stopped it 90 of the film's production files had reportedly been deleted and i mean this is just like it's beyond imagining that's years and years of work my cat once uh

22:17once deleted a paragraph and i'm like if i have to rewrite a paragraph it kills my day yeah yeah so pixar thing, don't worry. It's backed up. We'll be able to restore everything. And then they discovered that their backup system separately had been malfunctioning. And so what they recovered was kind of incomplete, unreliable, not the latest updates. But this is amazing. There is one recent copy at someone's house. The technical director, Galen Sussman, was working from home because she was on maternity leave. And she had one recent copy of the film on her computer. And they had to transport this thing back so carefully to Pixar. And from that, they were able... This gives me such a sort of whiteness just thinking about this.

23:03And they were able to recover the existing work. I'm going to do a slightly more kind of feel-good story, because that is terrifying, which was Life of Brian, when the backers right at the last minute were going to pull out because they worried about the religious sensibilities of the film. And you can see why. And Eric Idle. Also, though, don't pull out at that point. It was never unclear what this film was going to be about. Exactly. Come on, guys. Perhaps someone new came in. They were like, just take me through some of the stuff on the slate. Oh, I don't think so. Sorry, Bishop. Eric Idle remembers that George Harrison is a huge Python fan. And George Harrison, for reasons I'm sure we don't have to go into on an entertainment podcast,

23:50was quite rich at the time.orge harrison here's this story says he's got this business manager says i'm going to fund this movie and the reason that i will do this is because i want to watch this film eric idol i think later on said uh it was the single most expensive cinema ticket ever bought so george har Harrison saves not only that movie, but actually he begins his whole handmade films empire from that. They made Time Bandits with Nail and I, Long Good Friday. He suddenly thinks, oh, this is the business I'd like to get into. So just Eric Idle knowing George Harrison, understanding he was a Monty Python fan, and George Harrison just going, oh, my God, this sounds amazing. I want to watch this film.

24:25Suddenly, a whole era of British films is created from that one stroke of luck. So yes, success does have a way of tidying up its own history. These moments of crisis are now just sort of fun anecdotes of good luck for all of those involved. You can't bank on luck though, but you can bank on Lloyd's for insurance with home, motor, pet health and life cover available. Lloyd's Insurance Services were rated excellent on Trustpilot as of June 2026. Lloyds was also independently recognised as de facto home insurer of the year 26 to 27. Lloyds Insurance policies are provided by selected underwriters, terms limits and exclusions apply. To find out more, search Lloyds Insurance or visit lloydsbank.com.

25:04And they ask good questions. Now, Marina, I have a question here for which the headline is Kylie bombshell bra. And Evie, who you can tell listens to this podcast regularly, because this is how she phrases the question. Can someone, brackets, probably Marina, explain why I'm supposed to be upset at Kylie Jenner wearing the expensive bra at the victoria's secret runway show well evie you so rightly identify that richard we'd never get him off the subject if we got him onto the subject so honestly we'd have to be like a like a 13 hour deep dive like like the gerbil podcast in order okay let me address the jesus the kylie bombshell bra discourse now this is last week they had the Victoria's Secret runway show

25:48and there's always something, there's always like one really expensive bra in this. It's called the Fantasy Bra. Everyone's got that one expensive bra. It's called the Fantasy Bra. This one is $50 million, supposedly diamond bra. It took 1,000 working hours to create. There are so many. There's no fabric in it at all. It's all sort of articulated jewellery. And 15 jewellers created it. There's 4,410 natural diamonds. And there's one massive, like, 75-carat diamond in the middle of it, right? By the way, I would love to do a bonus series on what they did with victoria's secret but because they did turn this show the the victoria's secret fashion show into this kind of cultural thing um and it's and it's been on its uppers for a bit actually

26:37but they've had celebrity angels the the people the girls who walk in this are called angels um and they they've had celebrity ones and this is as i said this is a set piece item the fantasy bra fantasy bra and um this is the most expensive one by a long way they've ever had claudia schiffer wore the first one in 1996 they've had tyra banks heidi clum all the you know adriana lima carolina kirk over all these famous sort of angels um ended up wearing it wearing one. They haven't had one since 2018. This is the most expensive. Okay, so let's get on to the discourse. People are really angry about it. It's hilarious why they're angry about it. It's not because they're saying how it's degenerate

27:17that someone's wearing a $50 million bra. Victoria's Secret fans, a bit like Disney adults, Victoria's Secret fans are a thing. They adults, Victoria's Secret fans are a thing. They said it should be for long-time angels. By the way, the prestige of angels has diminished and they need to restore it because, as I said, they did... This is an underwear brand. This is like the plot of It's a Wonderful Life. Well, in a way, yes, very much like it. But it's really interesting. They turned the show into a cultural phenomenon. It has, as I said, kind of lost some of that purchase. But like a crown, you're supposed to wear, you're supposed to sort of earn your stripes to wear the fantasy bra. And, you know, Rosie Huntington-Whiteley was right there.

27:54Candy Swanepoel was right there. And they're giving it to this interloper, Kylie Jenner. But the reason they give it to her is the creative director said, oh, she's a cultural powerhouse. She extends beyond fashion, beyond culture, beyond TV, beyond one singular thing. She's created her own culture. How many people can say that? What they want is headlines and discourse. They want people being angry about it. They want people talking about it. And they got it. It's sort of amazing. It's made by Jacob & Co, this particular one.'ve it's allied to what we've talked about before about red carpet jewelry which is like does is it really for sale does it really exist you can buy this bra maybe if you're some passing petro state figure you could buy this 50 million dollar bra

28:37in terms of what's happened to past fantasy bras obviously they don't really get sold or what has happened to past they've taken the stones out and repurposed them. You could be wearing, your engagement ring could be once belonging to a bra worn by Claudia Schiffer and the thing. They take them out because people don't actually want a $50 million bra. But what it functions as is as advertising and promotion for the jewellery house, as we talked about when we talked about red carpet jewellery. So it has achieved its aim, this. It's quite expensive to buy absolutely tons of advertising and to kind of hijack areas of the discourse for over a week. It's still going on about this. So $50 million for sort of headline controversy discourse,

29:24they're not going to, as I say, you haven't lost the money. These dramas are of value. Just unpick them and put them in something else. It is so worth it. So that's, no, don't feel you need to get annoyed about it, Evie, but that is the method behind their supposed $50 million brawl madness. It would be uncomfortable, right? Yes. Well, I mean, I think they did it very clearly. No, it would be like chain mail. It would be fine. It would be like chain mail, yeah. Yeah, it would be uncomfortable, right? Yes. Well, I mean, I think they did it very clearly. No, it'd be like chain mail. It'd be fine. It'd be like chain mail, yeah. Yeah, it'd be like chain mail. I mean, she's probably worn more uncomfortable things in her life.

29:52But anyway, that's the story of that. And I do think we should do something on Victoria's Secret at some point. I'll take care of it, obviously. Yeah, because I want to do something about motorbikes. Yeah. But I know I'm ashamed of how much i know about it but and probably just good to get it out in an episode and then yeah yeah maybe get rid of it from the brain okay that wraps us up for today we will be back later with our uh traitors reaction episode and again tomorrow it's the final i hardly need to tell you all All right. See you later. See you later. Those here, you know, when a song leaves that breath in the beginning, or you hear that bit of feedback right at the end? Those details are what make the song the song.

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