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0:00welcome back to the second half of part three of mackenzie shirilla's case we've talked about some of the recent interviews steve shirilla mackenzie's dad has done which has not really shed a better light since the release of the netflix documentary it just seems like anytime steve and natalie shirilla open their mouths nothing necessarily good comes out of it people are not getting the point that they want people to get and people are getting more frustrated and it's just leaving everybody at more odds than they were at before so in this next part we're going to go through all of the text messages that we received from the police between Mackenzie and her dad Steve Shirella and all the little conspiracies that people have about them in the police FOIA file, we received this lengthy document. It's the cell byte extract of text messages between Mackenzie and her dad. And I will say the internet has taken some snippets of it and ran with it to very interesting directions and corners of darkness. For example, there's the whole warm milk bit online. I guess people have been pulling messages and Mackenzie seems to ask her dad for quote warm milk at odd hours of the day or more often odd hours of the night and there are some notable ones so for example I mean I was combing through looking for these warm milk messages because I saw people
1:15talking about it online before I even got to it January 4th 2020 Mackenzie texts her dad at 2 43 a.m middle of the night can you make me warm? He doesn't respond until 1 p.m. the next day. Sorry, just saying this. You still want milk? Then two days later at 11.31 p.m. Mackenzie texts her dad again. Can you make me warm milk? He responds, okay, thanks. When you come in, be quiet. Then later in March 2020, Mackenzie texts her dad at 11.35 p.m. Can you rub my feet? This seems to like be a thing that she does because months later there are similar messages. Could you please come up here and rub my feet? They are in pain and mom will not do a good job. Can you rub my feet? Which is interesting. April 2nd, 2020, 11.12 p.m. Mackenzie asks again, will you make me warm milk? He responds the next morning at 10 a.m. Just saw this. Do you still want? No. Sorry, my phone was dead. Then May 5th, 2020 at midnight. Can you make me warm milk? Again, May 8th, 2020 at 3 a.m. Can you make me warm milk? To which Steve responds, okay. Mackenzie asks, can you do it now? Then again, May 9th, 2020. Can you make me me milk and i don't know if it's maybe a lot of people who don't really drink a lot of warm milk or maybe just like a vibe that people are picking up but
2:31comments on tiktok read warm milk is not warm milk that comment has almost 30 000 likes people are debating under that comment section you know arguing what they think warm milk means some say warm milk helps you come off certain drugs so like it is warm milk but the reason she needs it so much is because she's trying to come down from a drug others say no it sounds like a sexual thing another comment just reads google urban dictionary meaning for warm milk which i did and there is a list of different definitions ranging from the beverage you drink while thinking of excuses to explain why you can't fish because your wife or others won't let you basically you're a bitch baby all the way to it's a web comic and all the way to quote wink jerk off furiously during a bout of insomnia as a way to work up the heart rate and therefore exhaust oneself to sleep so there are some people on the internet who believe that they think something weird is going on between Mackenzie and her dad. With one comment reading, this feels like a grossly inappropriate relationship. Others don't think it's that dark necessarily. They theorize online warm milk helps you come down from very specific substances. Just an FYI, sounds like she was a junkie and her dad was an enabler. So still probably bad. Did she ask for anything else oh yeah i'm gonna get into that now one comment with over 40 000 likes reads child of addicts here i was always
3:51told warm milk helps you come down from drugs so there is no proof that something strange is happening like some netizens theorize because i kept seeing i don't know if it was my algorithm but tiktok was just like something weird's going on between her and her dad but then I'm reading the messages and I honestly would say that this is my feeling I wouldn't be surprised if Mackenzie is literally just asking for warm milk like a literal glass of warm milk and maybe it's weird to some people because I wouldn't wake my dad up at three in the morning to ask for a favor but that sounds just about exactly what Mackenzie would do but like I said I don't know if I would be surprised if she's just, I wouldn't be surprised at anything at this point, but I could see her just using him as a butler. She asks him to make her hot cocoa, bring her tanning oil, buy her spray paint, make her stencils out of cardboard. She also asked him to edit her photos, texting him, did you fix the pic? I need you to fix it ASAP. I'm trying to post. That's crazy. Yeah. Like Photoshop? Yeah, she sends fix it ASAP. I'm trying to post. That's crazy. Yeah. Like Photoshop? Yeah. She sends more pictures and she's like, make those lighter. She asked him to make her pants. And again, more milk. She'll text him at night around 11 p.m. Milk? Question mark? Question mark? He doesn't respond. Okay. Or not. Then more messages. Will you make me warm milk, please? No response. Mackenzie texts back. Are you home? Can you please try to book me a massage sooner than 7?
5:09I have a birthday party that I have to leave for at like 6. Mom is telling me to book it when first of all, I never even talk to adults and I don't have no money and I don't drive. Yeah. Then later messages show Mackenzie complaining about said warm milk and she says, Milk is cold AF. I'm gonna drink it but it's not warm Steve responds bring it down it's just interesting I can't imagine critiquing my parents about how they warm up milk I wouldn't even give a Michelin star chef those notes if I'm paying for an expensive cup of milk it's just like a lot it's very harsh but that's apparently her dynamic with her parents one dm between Natalie and Mackenzie, Natalie says, are you good with the D or do you want to complete those final assignments? If my mom ever came up to me as a minor and said, are you good with getting a D in this class or are you going to finish those assignments? Guess what that means? That means I'm finishing those assignments tonight, even if I'm falling asleep at my desk, because that was her way of saying you're finishing those fucking assignments okay she's asking her about her grades mackenzie responds dude i don't care about a d wait what is happening so the mom is asking if she would like to finish yeah assignment yes like genuinely asking like hey are you gonna finish yeah but like i guess i'm thinking like oh no
6:25genuinely like are you okay with the d like that's the question i guess so but like are you good with that usually when parents ask that it's more so you're gonna finish the fucking assignments right but then she responds dude i don't care about a d and now this is where i'm expecting natalie to like pull a mom and being like hey you might not care but guess who cares the car you're never gonna drive the outside world that you're never gonna see because you're gonna be grounded like something like that i'm expecting natalie responds unless you want to fix it that's what i thought adi is passing so it's all good lol that is insane response yeah yeah i was reading that and i was like am i reading the right person and i'm like no, no, this is Natalie Shirela's Instagram DMing her. And their Instagram DMing? Yeah. Holy, this is crazy. I feel like Natalie just tries really hard to be Mackenzie's friend. Mackenzie will even tell Natalie about her night out with friends. And she'll say things like, quote, they knew my ID was fake. They told me we did leave. And then we went to Grace's. Natalie responds, I'm glad you went out and had a good time. Holy, this is. I feel like, OK, I understand that when you're raising kids, maybe there comes a point where you know that your kid snuck out, maybe. Or you know that your kid did something, but like maybe you don't confront them.
7:44Because maybe you let it confront them because maybe you let it pass for like whatever parenting reason you decide okay but the fact that the kid is telling you and then you're like well i'm glad you had fun is like not in a world that i can imagine no this is like they flip the parenting dynamic around yeah it's almost like mckenzie is the parent this is so weird like what is going on here? That's what I'm saying. Her parents seem much, much, much, much, much less strict than my parents ever were. And I feel like my parents were pretty open-minded raising us. Like, it's just... I feel like my parents are stricter on me now as a full-blown adult than Mackenzie's parents were at her age at 17. Yeah. In one text thread, Mackenzie is texting Dom. No, she was 15. Yeah, she was like... If she i feel like my parents expect more from me now as a full-blown adult yeah yeah and so there's another point where mackenzie is texting dom about alcohol and she says how are we gonna get alcohol my dad said make it with vodka so she's like getting advice from her dad and dom is like just ask your mom to go buy some later Mackenzie says okay well I'm waiting for my dad so give me the money so we can go and I'll get the jello and everything you can help me make the margaritas for the pregame okay I mean the implication there is like I don't know you draw the implication you want right but Dom sends
8:59a list of things that he needs and there's casamigos silver on there which is alcohol mckenzie later confirms that her dad got the orange liquor which is alcohol and when they get back i guess the party is being hosted at mckenzie's parents house and she says well my dad is power washing the deck for us so if this if what i'm getting out of this is is he buying them alcohol and also cleaning up for their party that they're hosting at their house like is that what we are to assume from this because that's crazy later in other messages mackenzie mentions to dom that she's going to go to the dispensary with her dad mackenzie texts dom this is back in february of 2020 my dad asked if i know someone who has hella female weed seeds i'll pay you should give him some that is insane so they're not only he's the parents not only buying her alcohol he's buying her weed at 15 well i don't know if he's buying it for her or for himself right or mackenzie could be making this up right but there's text messages between her and her dad where mackenzie asks her dad steve you want weed peanut butter he responds no lol i don't like to eat my weed i'm gonna give you a little are you making me milk dad dad are you home then uh are you okay yes i'm okay i feel like i have a cold okay to be honest you need weed i'm worried lol don't be
10:21worried i actually feel good just got irritated that i got it and have to quarantine for 10 days they're talking about covid yeah that's gay af covid some bs you shouldn't have taken the test you shouldn't have taken the covid test yeah so there's this is like a reoccurring trend throughout mackenzie's text messages with other people she talks about how she can buy negative tests like tests that show a negative instead of taking it wait i'm so lost so like because you know it was like mandatory quarantining oh so as long as you show negative you can just be out and about yeah yeah with covid yeah so she's like she was like messaging other people of like how to get negative tests wow yeah yeah yeah yeah steve later says in an interview that he picked his battles as a parent and he let Mackenzie smoke weed. I'm sorry if I find marijuana not that dangerous as I find alcohol or cocaine or whatever. My daughter, beyond whatever she else seems to think or wants to interpret or gleam, she seemed mature enough to handle it. I didn't see it as an issue. I feel like they have a lot of issues, but that's my opinion. According to text messages, it seems at some point, Mackenzie's dad puts like a bumper sticker on her car. I imagine, and this is like imagination.
11:38It's probably some sort of like student driver bumper sticker because she recently learned how to drive, right? And she texts him never fucking put that on my car again now i'm gonna be late to school because i had to turn around and go take that shit off he responds lol it's seriously not funny like i will seriously flip the fuck out don't talk to me like that lol i'm gonna talk to you however i want until that bumper sticker stops showing up on my car no lol because now i'm late somewhere that my hours matter okay then call polaris and get my hours back blocked wait what just happened so she's saying like call my school and get my hours back because she's like i'm late for school now because of you and i can't get my hours back don't put that bumper sticker on my car and then she says blocked as in like she's gonna block him but she doesn't thanks for the laugh lol giggle the father says thanks for the laugh i just can't imagine talking my dad like that and then i can't imagine my dad responding to me like that when i do talk to him like that their interactions are alarming mackenzie will text her dad in the midst of a fight with her mom tell mom to answer my text right now right now now. Do it. Question mark, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. Are you just not going to help? Sorry, not getting involved. I'm just going to get mad. Thanks for making this the worst birthday I ever had.
12:54She texts her dad. Never drive my car again without putting gas in it. Like, what the fuck? How are you going to drive someone's car than not put a single set of gas in it? And then it's literally below the line. It was not below the line when I gave you my car steve responds first i took your car to get serviced which i paid for and had to waste an hour of my time waiting for it and cleaned some of the inside because the person that drives it is a slob and doesn't keep it clean then when i returned your car to the driveway i noticed the gas was on empty so i left you a note told you when you came home and told your mother to tell you so be more respectful and responsible you owe me $74 for the service and $25 for the hour I had to sit there wasting my time for my disrespectful daughter here's the thing with Steve and this is just like my context that I got from the text messages okay when I watched the Netflix documentary I walked away with the feeling that steve and natalie never yell at their daughter and just go oh baby baby it's okay it's okay baby anything for you baby right that's what i walked away with but then when i was reading these text messages i noticed that steve does yell at his daughter and i think that's where he thinks he's disciplining his daughter right but then like it never really amounts not my takeaway though yes i know with these texts exactly but that's not what happens because i'll see him like yelling at his daughter right and
14:10then the next day it'll be like have fun have fun tonight like text me if you need me and it's like oh if my child ever spoke to me like that i don't think they're going out the next day yeah i don't think they're going out for a long time you know whatever you just said yes the steve just text her what does she respond with like nothing she just ignores him yeah yeah clearly there's nothing going on there's no discipline there's nothing no consequences nothing nothing is being done yeah in our opinions yeah what the a few weeks later she complains to him you should probably retake your driving test if you can't tell that you literally hit the fucking bench with my car hashtag worst driver hashtag retake your test today you mean the car i had to move because the person who parked it failed to leave me room and don't you mean the car that I paid for? Is that the car you're talking about? Watch how you speak to me or you won't have that car. She responds, learn how to drive. Hashtag ass worst driver of the year. She doesn't apologize, but later she gets upset when a school project doesn't end up working out. She rants to her dad, you better fix what you ruined or I will fail Polaris school. So dot, dot, dot. Are you better fix what you ruined or i will fail polaris school so dot dot dot are
15:26you trying to say you're slow i'm saying when you speak to me with disrespect i don't care if you fail mackenzie responds let me know when it's fixed question mark do you know how to use a music doll no response good to know to never ask you to do anything again you just fucked up my whole morning how about you tell people your plan instead of just fucking not going they literally text like two friends yes that's what i'm saying i don't even talk to my friends like that is there any moment that they are acting like a parent that's actually a regular freaking parent no i mean the only moments i saw are when he's like you do not speak to me with disrespect right those are again but like nothing comes of it exactly yeah even a friend could talk to a friend like yeah you don't talk to me like that yeah but that's it that's all i can find wow wow these are yeah no i was actually like i felt like my blood pressure was going up reading these text messages i was getting like i was huffing and puffing it was so stressful then a few days later she texts him can you please go get us white claws or some shit white claws or alcohol can you please go get us white claws or some shit from the gas station or mike's something like that i am in bed i have to get up early and it's sunday can you bring us some please we need some even the ones in the garage fridge then come get it there are people here omg and then he responds mom will drop off in a bit
16:47and she says bet and he's like oh i guess this is the only time he's like a parent he's like bet as in better and she says bet as in good yeah that's crazy what kind of teacher is he our teacher middle school high school it's a catholic school i'm not sure yeah then there's this whole starbucks debacle she asked him to go get her starbucks and he says what do you want but i have to go out it might be in a bit so he's like telling her it's gonna be in a little later smaller medium iced white mocha sweet cream foam and extra extra caramel sauce and a chocolate croissant how long dad warmed croissant what the fuck why would you not get my food first like question mark question mark question mark question mark i would go if i didn't feel like shit he responds i'll let you know when i get there please relax like what the fuck i told dom no because i thought you would actually go unreliable af i was on my way out on my way back i will stop i will stop making me stop what i'm doing what the fuck maybe next time just let me know you're gonna take five hours and i'll just have dom do it because he's actually gonna go get it like do i have to have mom go oh my god question mark question mark question mark where are you what the fuck like please never tell me you can do something if this is how it's going to be oh my god yeah i'm never gonna ask you to do anything for me again goddamn why can't you do it right i swear to god if i don't get my chocolate croissant
18:07because they sold out i'm gonna flip out what do you want i'm here is this the same tone that she kind of talks to don yes yeah it's like very threatening like i'm gonna flip out if i don't get what i want i'm about to blow shit up like's the vibe. So is this for me to assume that the reason why she talks this way, acts this way, is because the parents let her talk to them this way. Yeah. And that's why she talks to Dom this way. That's what I think, too. Right? Because I think that it starts like that. I feel like the correlation is very clear. Yeah. Yeah. Who started this, right? Yeah. Yeah. The fact that she talks to them like this is crazy yeah and so he he doesn't even respond to that craziness he just says what do you want i'm here the fact that he still went to starbucks is crazy too okay and then she responds i texted you and danny danny is her sister i texted you and danny what i want read shirla has a sister yeah yeah and dom's mom says like it's very clear there's favoritism in that family favoritism to mackenzie how old older younger i think younger no maybe older i just know that danny Danny is like Mackenzie is very sociable, considered mean girl popular by some people.
19:30Skinny gets followers on Instagram, conventionally may be attractive. And her sister is maybe not considered those things. What do we know about that? Is it just from don's mother you said don's mother some small comments made by other people the fact that the shrillas never really talk about their other daughter and then i i'm like the jail calls so natalie will be on the phone with mckenzie who's in prison and you just hear natalie like fucking screaming at danny all the time screaming at Danny all the time. Screaming at the sister. Yeah. The sister is also on the phone. Yeah. No. Oh. Like she'll be talking to Mackenzie like, Danny, get down here. Like, Danny, what did I say? Really? Yeah. And I'm like, oh, damn. You should be screaming at Mackenzie like that. She's the one in prison for murder. Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. I mean, I guess you could argue, well, she's talking to in prison for murder but yeah yeah fascinating i mean i guess you could argue well she's talking to mckenzie in a softer tone because she feels like her daughter needs more emotional support since she's calling from jet whatever but it's still weird it's still weird so these are just like speculations okay yeah she just responds just hurry for real it's already late af i shouldn't even be drinking coffee this late but i guess i have to next time tell me you can't go if you don't want to. Dumb AF.
20:46Did you just call me dumb? Because this shitstorm is coming for you. I'd go hide. Mackenzie responds, are you threatening me for no reason when I'm sick with COVID? So loving. And then like nothing comes out of that either. A few weeks later, Mackenzie is looking for a bag of soil and asks Steve, where is it? He texts her, I don't know, maybe in the garage in the garage ask mom she texts she's being dumb as fuck that's why i'm asking you where in the garage baby i don't know if i had to guess i probably it's probably buried somewhere okay go buy some when are you gonna be back because my plant is gonna die she's just calling her mom dumb as fuck to her dad and her dad doesn't correct her there's a lot of fights about the car she texts him you are never driving my fucking car again disgusting don't fucking eat fast food in my car then leave the trash in my car disgusting also maybe try putting it back the way it was when you left it don't take my steering wheel off if you're not gonna put it back on i don't think that he took the steering wheel off i think he took the pink fuzzy thing off you know she texts again you're done she's texting her dad you're done steve tries to tell mckenzie that this is technically his car that he pays for and he lets her drive and he demands that she speak to him with respect she argues if you want to be treated with respect how about you give it to other people this is like a huge thing to mckenzie it feels like people are only disrespectful when she doesn't like what they do like in her english pea-sized brain she's never
22:05disrespectful she texts her dad have fun in your closet when you get home your trash is in there so i think the whole fight is like he probably ate something left the fast food bag in the car she put it in his closet he responds if i was you i'd think twice before you piss me off and then you won't have a car period so text me again with your bs and think twice she says i tell you a million times to not disrespect my car and take my steering wheel off and leave trash especially eat fast food in my car but you never listen i'm just telling you that you're being disrespectful when you start making car payments and insurance payments until then keep your disrespectful tone and words to yourself the next day there's text messages between mackenzie and her dad where he tells her be careful have fun and like this is again where i lose my mind like if i talk to my dad like that i'm not having fun for a long time especially not the next business day other times she's texting him like stop being loud af what i can hear you from all the way up here stop being so oversensitive af and i'm not being loud this is her dad texting. Stop being so oversensitive AF. And I'm not being loud. This is her dad texting her. That's not oversensitive. I'm trying to sleep and you're stomping around blowing your nose 79 times. Stop being a woman hater. Stop being disrespectful to your father. In some text messages, it doesn't even seem like Steve is trying to discipline her. It just seems like he's trying to appease her. Writing things like, am I unblocked?
23:21Sorry you didn't have a good time last night. Really, no matter what, Kenz, I love you and only want the best for you. Later in an interview, he says, I was on my daughter all the time. I punished her all the time. Okay, it's not me going, okay, just go. Hey, go have a hell of a time. Go smoke dope. Have fun. Woo! Drive your car really fast. I mean, I don't see it in the sell bright messages, but like maybe you can point us elsewhere, Steve. Like maybe you can show us. Didn't he say that? I'm sorry you didn't have a good time yeah have a good day have a good be fun you have fun be safe yeah here's some white claw yeah i'm at starbucks what do you want apparently there's this one time where mackenzie and dom are going to florida and mackenzie's mom allegedly was going to go to Florida just to make sure that they can check into their place because you might have to be 21 to check into whatever accommodation they're staying at. So she was just going to go to Florida, check in with them and leave, which is fucking insane. This is coming from Dom's mom. Dom's mom says she is their golden child. They treat the other sister like a piece of crap. She's the pretty one. She's the smart one. She's the, you know, the other one's got problems. They child. They treat the other sister like a piece of crap. She's the pretty one. She's the smart one. She's the, you know, the other one's got problems. They do, they just everything. It doesn't matter how outrageous. One former friend of Mackenzie says about her parents, they just spoiled her. So they just kind of let her do whatever. Obviously at the time,
24:40she should not have been really just doing whatever she wanted. She just always did what she wanted. She talks to everyone else she wanted. wanted you know we were swimming over at the falls and you're not supposed to be swimming over there so i'm assuming this is some sort of like waterfall or something right cops came and she was just sitting there being disrespectful the whole time just like on her phone and we're like kenzie bro like we're not supposed to be even here swimming like why are you being disrespectful towards them like do you want us to get a ticket like what is wrong with you why are you just always like this just everybody you know authority that's not the way you're supposed to and the first time when she came over to my house she was cursing in front of my parents which made my parents not really like her and stuff like mind you there are high schoolers i mean even as adults like i find it a little when i hear someone cursing in front of my parents, especially if it's the first time they've met. Obviously, now that we're all comfortable, it's different. But the prosecutor says her parents would offer excuses for her behavior. And typically, Mackenzie would walk away from those negative interactions at school with more freedom, less consequences, and her actions being completely excused away. Steve says in the Chris Cuomo interview about people judging him and his parenting, Let's talk about people, first of all. If you don't know me and you're not in my life, and how do you say anything about me? How are you judging me without knowing me?
25:57Was I lenient on some things? Yes. Was I harder on some things? Yes. I was raising my kid how I felt best at the time that I made decisions. I'm not a bad parent. I picked fights that I felt would help her. And I picked fights that I didn't want to fight with her. And I let her go. And I made her make her own decisions. And, you know, you know, she's, she was almost an adult, you know, she's, it's laughable that the people think what they think about us. And, and if you're not, and I look at it this way, if you're not in my boat, then it really doesn't matter what you think as, as the people. I mean, anyone that doesn't know me, anyone that doesn't know me should keep their mouth shut personally. He's asked by Chris Cuomo, do you blame yourself for your daughter's behavior? Do I blame myself? Can I have advised her better? Sure. Do I think it would have made any difference? I don't know. Again, I don't have the – I'm sorry. I don't have a problem with the marijuana use. I'm sorry. I just don't know. Again, I don't have the – I'm sorry. I don't have a problem with the marijuana use. I'm sorry. I just don't. It's a battle that I would never win. How am I stopping her?
27:13Was I going to lock her in her room and never let her out of the room? Was I supposed to go with her everywhere she goes? Could I take the car away? There's just so many factors that have nothing to do with it. I just – I mean, I don't know. I feel like it has a lot to do with it, but, and like, okay, watching the Netflix documentary, again, I was under the impression like, maybe, maybe she's like playing chess with her family, with her parents. She acts like this goody two shoes in front of them. And then she's like living the second life outside where she's posting all these pictures. I mean, that seems more common than not with social media these days. But no, like just, she's posting all these pictures i mean that seems more common than not with social media these days but no like just she's kind of a bitch like even in text messages between mackenzie and dom she gets upset that dom is on her parents side instead of hers this is from mackenzie's birthday the year before the crash she says this is the worst birthday ever and that well i would like to think now it's not the worst birthday ever now that she's in prison but anyway dom is on mackenzie's parents side during a fight and he tries to explain to her i'm not on any side there you know like there's no sides she disagrees clearly there's my side and my parents side like literally this is the worst birthday dinner i've ever had no one meant it for it to be like this babe i wish it wasn't then why did you argue with me the whole dinner like you could have just made things so much smoother do you know my dress has a stain on
28:28it like this is literally the worst the stain on the dress part kind of threw me off but it just feels like the smallest things set her off for example dom is looking for a spare key somewhere and mackenzie is telling him that she honestly hasn't seen it and then he finds it rather quickly right under the bed and he lets her know and she responds oh damn and he says you could have looked to which mckenzie says you're really getting the attitude i love how you always just try to cause a little argument like how you like how about you just leave me alone if you want to try and cause an argument like the fuck okay i'm more just fucking with you because i know you didn't look for them but cool get mad lol talk to me when you're a little bit more mentally stable thanks bye you know what i'm not even gonna entertain that comment actually what do you mean mentally stable i mean no normal person just tries to start an argument out of that so i assumed you're not mentally stable right now i won't say that it's always mack starting arguments, but she does seem hypersensitive to things, lots of things or like everything. She also just like hates the heat. She complains to Dom, my room is literally hot as shit and my mom will not fix it. So I don't want to be sweating and tweaking all night. Like she literally will not turn down the air conditioning. She said she turned it on and it was literally on 70. So I turned it down to like 62. Like what the fuck? Why is it so fucking hard for her to turn the AC on?
29:44Like I can't even touch my skin because I sweat instantly her slow ass turned it off the ac is on 70 yeah like she's saying it's so hot yeah but also like the power bill she also complains to dom that her parents keep trying to get her to watch family videos with them and she tells dom i really hope my parents get the mental help they need someday like if i don't want to watch the family videos with them and she tells dom i really hope my parents get the mental help they need someday like if i don't want to watch the family videos yesterday why would i want to watch them tonight she later complains i love you too my house is literally freezing like i don't know what the fuck is wrong with everyone in this house i just asked my mom why is it never comfortable in this house my room is literally like the arctic or fucking 100 she also complains to dom in depth about how much she hates her family texting I'm hungry but I don't want to go downstairs because my family sucks. In another text thread she complains well I was trying to fucking take a nap but my dad had to go downstairs and turn the tv up to 800 so now I'm fucking awake. I fucking hate this house. I'm pissed. Of course my dad mind too weak to turn down the tv. What do you mean? He's too stupid, like weak minded. I'm just bumping right now. So what? He just left it super loud. Mackenzie says, I guess there's retaliation that she left her speaker volume all the way up. Dom is still confused about the TV, asking if it's really that loud. He's like, it was that loud to wake you up, bro. It was on like 70. 70 later she complains to dom through text my mom just ruined the vacation
31:06what happened one weather gonna be fucked like the whole time she dead ass asked me if i wanted to go to lake michigan or pennsylvania which she spells p-e-n-s-i-v-a-i-n-y-a i don't even know what that is okay and she says why the fuck would i want to go there both shitholes dom's like why can't we just cancel and go another time so all of them were gonna go like the shirillas were gonna go on this huge family vacation for mackenzie's birthday which is like kind of crazy for a birthday right and then dom was going to join but then they found out that in florida there's like hurricane season. Oh, God. God forbid people are losing their homes and their lives, okay? Because it's a hurricane season. But she's like, now my vacation is fucked, right? So then my mom is suggesting Lake Michigan or whatever state that she spells that I think is supposed to be Pennsylvania. And she's like, why the fuck would I want to go there? And so he's like, okay, well, why can't we just cancel and go another time then when the weather is better in Florida? And she says cancel my birthday vacation i am going on vacation for my birthday and i'm leaving for it today and it's going to be somewhere fucking hot i'm not going to florida if it's going to rain the whole time i'm so mad if a vacay not planned by tonight i'm for real done with this whole family they really just gave me the worst birthday i've ever had this is crazy
32:26this is like unreal you can't make this up in a movie if they were in a movie i'd say who acts like that that's so dumb babe they can't predict the weather a month away and it's going to be nearly impossible to book a vacay in a night buy a ticket to cali for me and you right now i have like 300 he doesn't respond dom do it right now book a flight somewhere my mom said she's not booking a new one babe a flight to cali for both of us will be like eleven hundred dollars okay plus ubers and stuff we might as well go to universal or just plan it another day because i don't know if we can even stay with kyle right now so he's saying like they have a friend in california but like they don't know if we can even stay with Kyle right now. So he's saying like they have a friend in California, but like they don't know if they can stay there. But even on top of that, Uber's food, all of that. Okay, don't come on vacation then. Fun. Dom tries to reason with her that there's not gonna be a lot of options in this type of short notice. He says it seems like everywhere on the East Coast is going to rain. She responds, well, I didn't know nobody knew that there was more than one coast. Wow, was that supposed to be a smart ass joke? Okay, won't help then you weren't helping at all you never started helping i was just talking to your mom trying to figure out what we can do of course you were talking to that crazy bitch she won't do shit to help that's how i know you weren't helping at all the fact that you were texting her she's the one booking it except she's not and she's just sitting
33:45in her fucking room dom tries to get her to be open to michigan northern michigan is actually super super nice in the summer do not text me why the fuck would i go to some shitty ass michigan literally never say that shit to me again what the fuck what the fuck and again it doesn't seem like there's a plan but mackenzie is still sending pictures of swimsuits asking which one she should bring and i'm like i thought you're not going on vacay okay mind you she's like pissed because there's a hurricane and then you know text messages from her dad read you need to work with us and going to the west coast is out of the question we do not have the time or the money to get there we would get there and then have to turn around and leave to which Mackenzie responds to her dad Steve there's a lot more places in between we could go to i'm never going to forget this they do end up going on this cursed birthday trip at this point and it goes as well as you can imagine okay they do make it to florida it's not a hunky-dory time based off context clues in the text it seems like mackenzie and her parents get into a fight mackenzie is upset that dom isn't backing her up she texts him you're supposed to be on my side the fuck like what the fuck is wrong with you do you have issues Dom is confused he has no clue what's going on and he tells her I didn't know you were mad hope you know you're part of the reason why my birthday sucks are you slow literally do not talk to me lmao I didn't know someone
35:00interrupting you made you that mad that's my bad but you did threaten to stab me in the eye yeah i don't care happy you ruined this trip thanks so much for making me feel special like y'all suck for real dom argues back you're mean to me yeah when you swear at me and threaten me like that's mean they eventually try to reach a compromise with dom threatening to leave to palm bay like dom is like if you're gonna keep being mean to me I'm gonna go to my friend in Palm Bay and he says just don't threaten to kill me that otherwise I'll probably dip to Palm Bay lmao okay then so you just out here complaining lol get the fuck out then go to Palm Bay the fuck then go if you threaten me I will it's not normal to threaten people Dom tells Mackenzie I'm done with this conversation you have only been mean to me and have tried to hurt my feelings i wasn't mean to you i was mean after you didn't have my back how are you not getting this you threatened to stab me in the eye after you didn't have my back are you slow and this is like all in caps that's why i'm emphasizing certain words later mackenzie decides she's not mad at dom but rather it's her dad she texts him babe i just want to go home i hate everyone like i've just been fucking here like he picks fucking fights with me any chance he can get how the fuck am i supposed to be want to be nice after he just said all that to me like he's been a dick to me the whole time the
36:16whole time dom says babe you've both been wrong you kind of of dog him. How did I dog him? Calling him five? Didn't know that was offensive. You said something like, shut up. I'm having a conversation with Danny. Look, babe, you're both throwing gasoline in each other's fires. I've been saying I'm having a terrible vacay and they just don't care. They've had a terrible one too, babe. I'm trying to make the best of this and everyone keeps ruining it. It's literally them though. You got your whole family here and they all care. You can't throw it away. No, Dom. I hate them all. No, you don't, babe. You're just mad. No, I really do. Like I love them, but I'm getting the fuck away and I never want to be around them like ever. I'm for real. I'm about to leave. I'm done with this vacay. Like fuck this. Fuck this. This vacay is fucking ruined also the fact that she still like keeps calling it a vacay was irking me Dom tries to reason with Mackenzie about her dad baby you love him you appreciate him for what he does he does nothing he could be way worse babe he does a lot he has a lot of pressure LMAO pressure for what that's probably why he lashes out i hate men babe you will never understand what it's like to be your dad give him a break like the fact that dom stood up for steve more than mackenzie ever did and steve is out here saying like his daughter is a perfect
37:35angel is crazy to me the whole vacation seems to go wrong and i think that's just kind of who mackenzie is you know those people where everything around them goes wrong and like sometimes that does happen to really good people and like you feel lots of sympathy. But then there are a lot of people where it's like you look at it and you say, oh, well, everything goes wrong, not because you're unlucky, but because you make everything go wrong. Like, of course, you're having a miserable time when you're the one making everything miserable. Like that's the type of person Mackenzie strikes me as. For example, Dom has a bathroom malfunction at some point because the toilet malfunctions and Mackenzie is just pissed off that he's taking so long in the bathroom, even though he's explaining to her the situation, why it's taking him a second to clean himself up. And she says, ruining my fucking vacation. There's toilet paper. Not sure if you know that. Use fucking toilet paper. Why am I telling you how to wipe like a fucking four-year-old kenzie i have fucking toilet water on my privates so he said like the toilet flushed randomly and it like splashed everywhere go without me leave like they're at a restaurant at universal like go leave like i don't care i'm gonna call the cops so they can help you i'm so mad at you like you really did this hell no what the fuck like now everyone's just waiting no one's leaving like we are literally
38:50waiting for you and this is all in caps they won't go without you what the fuck is wrong with you literally acting like a baby do i need to come in and wipe your ass i checked the time stamps only nine minutes has passed so i don't know what her issue is like holy cow you need to get a grip i'm getting stressed out she's texting answer right now do i need to come and wipe your ass or we will have an issue get the fuck off dom get the fuck off literally a child oh my god oh my god the fuck we about to have some issue oh my god oh my god but then things are fine later because he asks where she's at and she responds har Harry Potter, I'm in line for butterbeer. The producers of Netflix ask Mackenzie in her jailhouse interview, did you ever feel in your arguments with Dom rage that you couldn't control? No, it was never like that. It was always just more like I was, you know, when we'd argue, I would get sad because he didn't really have good communication skills and we'd be cool after that day or a couple hours later we'd be watching movies on the couch eating popcorn she would just get sad she would just get sad I'm so confused one mutual friend says Dom and Kenzie's relationship they were just always arguing that's how it was and me and another friend we're always talking about it we're like bro dom like you he has so much going for himself why doesn't he stick up to kenzie he can
40:10do so much better dom shares this story of a trip that she took with dom and kenzie dom is telling someone no dom's mom is telling the police so it was going to be you know the whole family dom's family she's like i took off work we were all gonna go canoeing so I packed snacks for the canoeing the cooler and all of that so we had a bag that had chips and you know the sort of things that was like super um you didn't like want to put it in stuff because they would get crushed so like usually on a road trip you save them for last like the chip bag and then it goes in the back seat whatever well we forgot she ruined the entire canoe trip she sat there and threw a fit that we had forgotten those chips that she had nothing to eat and I kept saying we're enjoying our day there's no fighting we're gonna find you something to eat we even stopped at this bar she was not satisfied with anything like no nothing it did not matter what I had she did not have those chips so it was like she's explaining like how they went on this whole almost like goose chase to find her something that she was happy enough eating and Dom was just stressed about it the whole time because she was so pissed about those chips and she was very crafty on how she would do stuff because she would stick her digs you know me and Angelo were in a canoe they're there she would stick her digs in her comments so that we couldn't hear but it was a big tantrum i mean
41:25everything was a dig you forgot the chips you forgot okay i get it do you know what i mean but it's not enough to have a tantrum and ruin the day dom's brother angelo later tells the police that mackenzie would go through self-esteem issues and dom would want to break up with her because she would quote she'd get crazy about stuff accuse him of cheating and stuff when he's not you know what i mean like stuff like that not constant but there'd be every couple of weeks or so where they were almost breaking up and then she'd be threatening to hurt herself stuff would arise and it would really never you just wouldn't take a healthy course to be honest with you the officer is like what do you mean she would go crazy like what's crazy there are times where she called dom and said if you break up with me i'm gonna kill myself word for word and then Dom he was like a very very selfless person and he did I mean obviously they were together for a long time and they built a relationship they cared for each other deeply even though Dom did care for her deeply I'm not disputing any of that but he's seen all the toxicness that she was putting onto him. So he's saying like Dom would try to tell Mackenzie that he would be there for her after their breakup. So like you don't have to do anything drastic. Like he's going to be there, but he just can't be in this relationship anymore. And Mackenzie would just keep coming back, quote, I'll kill myself.
42:41Essentially, is what Angelo is alleging. Angelo says that he actually was very close with mackenzie in the very beginning of mackenzie and dom's relationship to the point where she would go to angelo to get comfort whenever dom and her would fight but angelo says that he started distancing himself because quote i just seen that she's very very selfish he says he couldn't deal with it anymore so he blocked her number like that's how bad it got like he had to go and block her number because she would blow up his phone non-stop when she couldn't get in contact with dom he'd be in the car with dom and dom is driving so he doesn't pick up his phone and they're just going to go get like food and she's just blowing up both their phones dom's brother says he witnessed fights and he feels like quote honestly he'll be like so nice dom will be so nice and accommodating as possible to stop the fight and she'd be one of those people that is just petty like petty petty petty petty and again normally i would take anything that one party's sibling says about a relationship with a grain of salt but then like i did see all those text messages and i'm like this seems like more or less at least accurate in my opinion about his characterization. And then she'll be, you know, in between fights, text Dom's brother. Like in between fights, she'll be like, hey, can you do my homework for me? I don't want to do my math homework.
43:58He's like, why would I? She really lives in the universe that everyone just evolves around her. Yeah. And then for some fights, he says, you know, they would have to call Kenzie's parents to tell them to come get her because she's refusing to leave being toxic. They pick her up. Dom's brother is like, I mean, by the way, these fights are always started by Kenzie. And then, you know, she's refusing to leave being toxic they pick her up dom's brother is like i mean by the way these fights are always started by kenzie and then you know they ask her to leave and then the parents have to come pick her up somehow she'll make it back and just be pounding on the windows demanding to be let back in he says that her behavior started escalating as she got older he says quote to me it almost just got more drastic because when she was younger ninth or tenth grade she would just go home when they were fighting or whatever and then be texting him like, oh, I'm going to hurt myself, blah, blah. And then he's like, OK, please don't. We can work this out or whatever. But then when it came to the point where she's 16, she's driving now, she's 17, she's even older, she's driving back over, she's banging on the windows. Her behavior became more erratic, maybe also because she had more ways to let it out and to show that i think that's exactly what's going on maybe the parents talk to her this way ever since she was little and maybe the parents just chop it up as
45:15that's just how she what she says she doesn't do anything she doesn't like punch me so like maybe i don't know sounds like the dad even thinks it's cute to talk like that like texting like slow af like i don't know how could you possibly talk to your kid like this you just unlocked something in my brain okay so i one thing i did notice in all the jail calls right is mackenzie every time she sneezes she like she does have like a like soft sneeze it's like right and almost like every single time without fail natalie will just be like oh that's so cute which i don't know why like i didn't really care for it but that just like reminded me of it it's just so random yeah like the way she's talking to her i mean she's in she's a convicted murderer yeah right and she sneezes the mom goes that's so cute yeah there's nothing cute at all. About this whole situation. You're on a recorded line. Yeah. From Securus, the jail line. Like, is that her default? Like, she's just always like, that's so cute. Yeah. Everything is like very, Mackenzie will be talking about how she ate ramen because she doesn't like the prison food. And then, you know, the mom will be like well is it better than last time then she's like yeah i made it in the shower this oh that's good that's
46:30good everything is oh that's good that's good and i'm like hey so nothing about this situation is fucking good but angelo does tell investigators quote there was multiple times even in the month of july that he was trying to break up with her a couple days before the crash she was hitting him on the highway while driving down the highway he had to pull his car over on the side of the highway not in a very safe parking spot either and have somebody else come pick them up and drive the car home because he was scared that she was going to make him crash and that was just prior to the day before the actual crash where she was driving prior to the day before the crash yeah where she was driving prior to the day before the crash yeah so it's just he's saying like it was very recent to the crash i think it's pretty clear the relationship between mackenzie and dom is not good it's always been rough i mean going through all their fights it seems like in the very beginning the biggest issue was that dom didn't feel like he had enough space in the relationship he would complain that he just couldn't even breathe for an hour which i can see and i know like some people saw the beginning parts of their text messages and felt like dom was the mean one and this was her reacting to his meanness i think like i did see a bunch of tiktoks like that and just collectively seeing it i would say that they're both teenagers in a relationship trying to figure out how a relationship works but it does
47:46seem like she does not give him a moment alone and some people just need time to decompress in a relationship and i feel like that's kind of like you know that's a lot of people but it just it's not happening and there is a cheating thing now it's unclear how exactly it happened but dom argues that it was all while they were on break. So he's, you know, throughout, he's arguing that this is technically not cheating because they were on break. Mackenzie argues that it was while they were still together. But it does seem like Dom did, in fact, have relations with another girl. Faith, who is a friend since middle school, says on the Netflix docs, and she's throughout the jail calls, you know, she's there. So she's a big supporter of Mackenzie. Faith says, told kate is a supporter of mackenzie like a friend and supporter because she's in the jail call she talks to mackenzie on the phone in jail and faith slept with don no no no faith is saying in the netflix documentary quote i told kenzie hey your boyfriend just cheated on you with one of our best friends i felt terrible for kenzie i mean, your boyfriend just cheated on you with one of our best friends. I felt terrible for Kenzie. I mean, it sucks to be cheated on. Moving forward in their relationship, it caused a lot of trust issues. Heard it be like, hey, who are you with? What are you doing? This is clearly told from Mackenzie's point of view since she's DMing her friend about it later. So I found these Instagram DMs and she DMs her.
49:03He cheated on me four times in the beginning. Two times were with my best friend. Bro, it like fucked me up. You would die. I'm gonna tell you their story. I was a freshman. He was a junior. Literally her name was redacted. Um, literally her name was redacted. She would leave my house at night and say, she's going to go to another friend's house. But instead she would walk to my boyfriend's and fuck him. She didn't even tell me. He did. And he was publicly cheating, literally like they had gym together and would fuck around in school. No one told me. It's insane. In 2020, about a year before the crash, Mackenzie writes to Dom, when you cheated on me, the girls didn't come up to you. You went up to them. To which Dom responds, they came to me. He argues again, it happened when they were on break and quote, you bring up me cheating like three times a week maybe because you cheated on me mackenzie tells him the energy he needs to have is quote you hate all bitches but me do you know how many boys i ignore like 30 a day i'm famous i need my views what is she talking about so like following people on instagram she's like you don't need to follow girls but i need to like follow people and interact with people online because I'm famous and I need my views. She wants him to text a girl, quote, but you can't even text a bitch to get off your dick. I don't even have her number. Get it. She also goes into his phone to secretly block girls that are liking his photos, and she sees nothing wrong with that.
50:23But Dom tells her, I get no fucking privacy like fuck you when tiktok she posts she's reacting to what she believes to be a funny comment that reads chicks be like check your man not me bitch i beat him up already it's your turn so i don't know if there was a lot of trust established in their relationship at this point but one of their more recent fights is dom seems to be getting fed up with Mackenzie hanging out with this one particular friend of Mackenzie's her let's call her G Dom believes G is a sex worker and he doesn't like his girlfriend hanging out with her which normally I am not a fan of any partner dictating who you should or should not be friends with and I also feel like someone's occupation is not some sort of benchmark for their morality but I guess on an objective level maybe it could be warranted to not want a 17 year old girl to hang out with a sex worker but maybe that's still something her parents should be concerned about and getting upset about but instead of Dom. DM messages between this is around like June 8th 2022 this is the month before Dom and Davion's deaths Mackenzie messages Dom do I have to pull up I would answer I would answer I would answer let me know if you're actually ending this she video chats Dom he doesn't respond like this is you know this is a pattern that we've been seeing she sends him 10 messages all back to back let me know if you're actually ending this
51:41answer now she's freaking out on him and he just asks her are you going to chill with thoughts which side note again i don't necessarily like the word usage here to talk about someone's alleged maybe occupation but i digress mckenzie tells him you forced me and made me choose between you and my friend you are being abusive she tries to call him he doesn't respond he dms are you going to chill with thoughts specifically prostitutes again not the best word usage are you gonna show love compassion and make me feel special and chase me yes of course i will i'm gonna go out to eat with my friends when they ask me to go or go roller skating that does not make me one of them he responds i'm not going to chase you if it's going to be toxic it's not toxic. Mackenzie starts demanding he stops hanging out with friends she doesn't like, to which he responds, My friends ain't prostitutes, babe. And you need to unfollow every girl you follow, too. I don't care if you, quote, knew them your whole life. If I'm not allowed to be friends with redacted, okay, then unfollow every boy you follow mackenzie asks and you need to buy me something really nice if i'm not allowed to be friends with them and i don't follow boys they start arguing about who's cheating on who and if it was cheating if it was during break or not and mackenzie tells him whatever dom go be single
53:00then you obviously never loved or cared about me if it's easy to treat me like this but instead of letting things go she dms him again why the fuck did you just stop answering she tries to video call him again but again this is near the end of their relationship dom is standing his ground and is telling her you will get influenced by these people whether you think you will or not mckenzie doesn't like that she responds no i'm not i have a mind of my own i'm not a follower i'm a leader you know that it's a fact, I'm not. I have a mind of my own. I'm not a follower. I'm a leader. You know that. It's a fact. Why aren't you letting me have a mind of my own? Mackenzie, it's a proven fact. Why do you think you and me are exact same by now? We always had lots of things in common, but now we literally say the same shit. We finish each other's sentences. Part of that is because we are only around each other, you know, like we eat the same foods now. We listen to the same music, have the same same interests like i want you to have friends but i don't want five out of five of them to be prostitutes because i know you're gonna start acting different because you did this last time when you were with her i seen it slowly happen last time it's factual well i'm a new me every day i'm never gonna do that again and you know that do what exactly what does that mean dom is hesitant i don't know kenzie well if you love me and want to be with me you can trust me and believe that dom responds what happened last time dot dot dot that was so long ago that was not
54:17me just like you're not a cheater anymore even though you did last month that was nine months ago not three years ago insinuating that whatever kenzie did was nine months ago and what he did was three years ago later dom says no kenzie last time you started chilling with g you sold your body now you're hanging with multiple of them that was over eight months ago there have been conversations online that mckenzie was working as a sex worker before the crash, which there is no evidence of. I do believe the police went down that rabbit hole as well. But when you have messages like those, it makes you speculate. Prosecutors later have a detailed section in their brief where they write, possible prostitution pandering obscenities. Here's everything that I found going through the FOIA about sex work or potential sex work in an Instagram DM which we had to comb through like 2,000 pages for the Instagram data for the FOIA she and one of her Instagram friends are talking about how they got new Dior bags the friend says I need a few sugar daddies Mackenzie responds real talk though I want a foot one in an Instagram DM April 1st 2022 Mackenzie mackenzie gets a dm from a guy named mark he asks would you send me a picture of your belly button lol how much how much what do you mean
55:33money mark sends an example picture and writes i would like to have a picture like this who is mark like sarando yeah very close to your belly button and in good quality. Shit. Maybe like $30 for a good quality photo. What do you think about that? No, $30 is way too much. I would spend max $10 for it. It's just a picture. My friends sell it for $50. So $30 was generous. I don't care how much your friends send it. It's just a picture with an effort of like one minute and you show your body to the world anyway. I don't, but thank you. Stay weird. I just have a belly button fetish though. It's okay if you don't want to do it for 10. Have a nice day. March 2022, she gets a message from a random Instagram account. Can I spoil you? Yes, I'm cool with it. My snap is bigcheesetokyo. Hit me up and I'll take care of you. Then March 20th, 2022, some guy named Gary Peterson, the CEO, literally that's like Gary Peterson, the CEO, DMs Mackenzie. How do you manage to being so hot? Hi, beautiful. Sorry if this is going to offend you. Will you be interested in weekly payment allowance of $600 to be my online sugar baby? No sexual intimacy involved, just your online companionship. To which Mackenzie responds, hey, in all caps, I'm interested. How do I know this is legit? Another DM exchange is between another guy, person, individual, I don't know.
56:50Mackenzie, they message her. Hello, baby. Hey, how are you doing? Good, how about you? Where are you from, baby? Ohio, it's cold here. Okay, baby, have you ever heard about Sugar Mama before? Mackenzie stops responding. Have you heard of Sugar Mama? Yeah, I know. It's kind of weird, right? It's weird. Yeah. These are just messages that I found. heard about sugar mama before mackenzie stops responding have you heard of sugar mama yeah i know it's kind of weird right yeah these are just messages that i found then another message between another snapchat user and mackenzie where they ask her can we do this or what mackenzie responds four bands which means four thousand dollars to which the other person responds you can have four straps of one dollars lol she responds one thousand dollars you finger that for me and reach the destination while i'm doing it then fuck yeah i'm down are you a squirter and she responds send a thousand dollars we can link anything you want for 2500 they she's underage yeah they respond um you can get cash money in person no fucking way i send you anything up front especially a thousand dollars lol so let me know when and where you want to do it a thousand dollar picks two thousand dollars to link you for real doing meets okay if you're taking a month between each response, then I'm not interested. She reiterates two bands to link 1K for pics.
58:08Link meaning in person? Yes. Mackenzie is Snapchatting this individual July 15th, 2022. Like 16 days before the crash. You have Amazon wishlist or cash shop or needing help with anything? She doesn't. Another message Mackenzie sends out is apparently from July 19th,th where she says send me a band and we can link up lol the police did find several nude photos and videos in her phone but there doesn't seem to be a clear indication that she sent it to anyone in exchange for funds so it doesn't appear that anything really came out of this rabbit hole however judging from the context of the text messages between Dom and Mackenzie it feels like they're arguing about Mackenzie potentially being paid by a guy to do things to her feet and maybe Dom is just under the impression maybe Mackenzie lied I don't know like we don't know these are just messages but messages from January 25th 2022 read from Mackenzie to Dom you realize I'm just to go get a sugar daddy and start selling feet pics and I'm going to be doing just fine. So this is really your last chance to handwrite me an apology or fix this or we're really done. Then March 5th, 2022, Dom text Mackenzie. Yeah, you let a dude fuck your feet for money like six months ago. Mackenzie responds, we were broken up. We were broken up and it was feet, LMAO.
59:25Once again, then leave. Then June 8th, 2022, Dom writes to her. Yeah, I love you. But last time you started hanging out with her, you literally let her sell your body to that random dude and she hooked you up with the dude. We were broken up and it was just my feet. Do you think about it more than I think about it? You ran off and became a prostitute. Because I don't personally think it's bad. But if you do and we're together, then I'm not going to do it. You could never tell your family you were a prostitute. Because it's only my business and it's not a prostitution. June 25th, 2022, Dom tells Mackenzie, Mackenzie, there is always going to be problems if you're hanging out with someone who got a dude to fuck your feet for money there are more messages from the month of june this is again in june the month before they're killed dom is really putting his foot down on the matter he even unfollows mackenzie on instagram and he stops responding to her and she's freaking out while he remains relatively calm she is video calling him why the fuck aren't you answering are you just reading this you can't chill with prostitutes and again the word usage here is not preferred but she responds answer what the fuck answer he says he unfollowed her because he doesn't want her messages showing up in his primary message inbox on instagram because i don't want your messages in my primary i didn't
1:00:42i i didn't think you'd hit me up on here. I thought you was going to be done. I thought we broke up. I unadded you on everything. Mackenzie is freaking out in all caps. If we are done, let me know now because I'm so over this manipulation. You would be so good at it too because you read the book on it. So you know exactly how to manipulate people. Kenzie, if you want to hang with prostitutes, we're done. He tells her that one specific friend especially quote she tried to make you her prostitute sidekick type shit bring you on her dates and shit that's weird so no you can't chill with them she does not bring me on her dates she has never she did before and that dude bought you a shirt or something like that shit like so weird so it sounded like something happened right nine months ago yeah it seems like his like if i had to give him the benefit of the doubt it doesn't seem like his qualm about this friend is based off her occupation but more so that the friend is asking or you know influencing mckenzie to do or like involving her and she's But she's underage. Yeah, exactly. This is a crazy, crazy, crazy crime. Yes. For whoever the party was involved in this whole operation. Police do pull cellbrite data from her text messages with this friend.
1:01:58And I didn't find anything alarming in them. So the text message doesn't show anything. Yeah, but the text messages was like so are you saying we don't there's no solid evidence that this happened there's no solid evidence that this happened it could have happened and the police don't find it worth their while since mckenzie is already convicted of being you know right right right but i'm saying like whoever the dude is yeah so. So she says, and again, like, like I said, I don't know if there's proof of this happening. I just know that they're having a conversation as if it really happened. Right, right. Okay. You know, and Mackenzie says she tried and it didn't work because I wasn't into it. You said I could go. I asked you first. I let you make your own decisions. No, you told me I could go, so you're not allowed to hold that over my head. And that man didn't even touch me. Kenzie, I'm just saying. They get into another fight. But interestingly, it seems like Mackenzie's tone is softening down compared to a month or two prior. Maybe she knows that Dom isn't putting up with it anymore. I don't know. But he tells her, Kenzie, I stand by what I say. She says, where did Dom go? The Dom I love. This is not you. I know you know that too. He says, honestly, I do. And I think he's referring to him standing by what he says.
1:03:15I know you're sad and hurt on the inside. So you're hurting me. You're making me sad. You just ruined your four-year relationship in a day and you don't care. He responds, I got gotta make it to the top this is not how you do it you hurt your number one fan you should trust so he's saying you should trust that i know best i made you who you are i helped you grow into a loving person because if you knew me at all you would let me make my own decision like i let you make yours who's saying right now mckenzie so mackenzie's like let me make my own decisions about who i'm friends with it appears they make up but like i said with what everyone's been saying about their relationship a lot of people believe that dom was going to break up with mackenzie if not soon maybe eventually and they think that's why mackenzie crashed the car she knew he was over her he't going to stick around while she just did whatever she did. But Mackenzie and her parents refute this. They argue, sure, they fought, but they were just in a young relationship where both of them were still learning. But ultimately, they loved each other and were probably going to get married. They believe that there is no way that Mackenzie was going to crash the car intentionally and that Dom was going to break up with her. They think none of it makes sense. Steve, Mackenzie's dad in the Netflix doc says, it's tragic what happened to those two boys.
1:04:30But think if it was your kid. What if Mackenzie was yours? I'm going to fight for my daughter. And we have ironclad evidence that disputes what was said in the trial. In a more recent interview with the Daily Mail, Natalie says there were three people in the car. Anything could have happened. Anything. So all these people creating all these stories it's just a bunch of story time nobody knows natalie says mackenzie still behind bars loves dom and struggles with the loss but it's not like she sits there you know 24 7 not sleeping eating thinking about dom and what happened mackenzie has actually been pretty busy behind bars she has roughly 36 misconduct tickets for violating prison rules her alleged ex-girlfriends have come out onto tiktok to talk about dating her and her jail calls have been leaking online not even leaking they've just been released in the public foia all things that we are going to cover in the next part of this series so So with that being said, stay tuned, stay safe, and I will see you in the next one.





