What did Robert Caro say was the real source of Lyndon Johnson's power in the Senate?

Robert Caro says Lyndon Johnson's power came from leverage, not charm alone. When Johnson leaned in and put his arm around a senator, the senator knew Johnson could grant or deny a committee assignment or a bill he wanted. The persuasion worked because of what stood behind it. Caro also says Johnson and Moses ran on sheer will rather than unusual energy.

• Caro describes Johnson making calls at 2 and 3 in the morning to line up votes.
• In Caro's anecdote, a senator woken by a 5 a.m. call joked that he had been waiting for it.

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“Behind his persuasion was the power.” Robert Caro · at 33:34 — open in the transcript →

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