Elon Musk's Midterm Spending Spree, Trump's Press Secretary Debacle, and OpenAI Gets Bugged

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2:16I know. I know. I know it's true. It's a little bit striking. I mean, I didn't even mind. It's like I'm's like, I'm, I'm the worst kid on the bad news bears and A-Rod shows up. I'm show his picture or not. And you're like, oh, she was in the room. And then somewhere else, she's like, when we were dealing with that on this issue, and I was like, Scott does not have this background. She's like zealot. I'm like, when I was in the fraternity. Drinking and saw it go by on television or whatever it is. She was great. It's racing up the charts. I got to tell you, it's racing. I knew it would. Well, what's really unusual about this is for you to talk about the success of something you're working on.

3:13So that's really unusual. Yeah, yeah. And just making money for the Vox Media Podcast Network. There you are. Got to pay the bills. All kidding aside, I think people are dying for substance. I really, truly do. I think they're tired of this like, this like clown car of a Trump administration and intelligence is making its way back. You talk about that a lot. Yeah, she's got, she has a newfound affection because I think people appreciate intelligence. And also she does hit it kind of straight down the middle. I don't, I don't think people, Fox essentially turned their sights on her for four years and tried to convince America she was like this incandescent blue candidate. She's actually pretty centrist.

3:53She is, very much so. But yeah, I don't, you know, I don't like to listen to your work, but I forced myself to listen to that one. Well, she's good. You can listen to her and then just go fast forward through me. I decided I needed a piece of media with a woman who's been underestimated by men for 50 years and a woman who spent 50 years telling them they're wrong. Well, it's working. I also got to spend the day with Keri Russell the other day. So my whole week has been really fantastic. I like her and her husband. I know. Well, her husband was there. It was the cast of The Diplomat. It's a lot of strong, badass ladies. Can I give some dating advice? Sure, go ahead. Just speaking of strong ladies,

4:34the best advice that I've heard from a woman on dating, and I want you to pass this by the secretary. Okay. Lure them in with the titties, feed them bacon, and then let the mental illnesses present themselves. What? Did you just like drag women? We're back. No. We're back. Oh my God, Shane fucking Gillis. Just a little, just a little contrast. Just want to make sure you know you're on pivot with Scott Galloway, not with the secretary. Bounce that one off the secretary. See if that makes her book tour. I'm not saying a word to her. She likes you. My favorite part. Feed them bacon. Inexplicably, she likes you. She's got a sense of humor. There's no way she's not a little, she's a little salty.

5:18She is. She's really funny. We're going to do whiskey on the show at one point. She likes a good whiskey outfit. Feed them bacon and then reveal the mental illnesses. Oh, my God. And you said the word titties. Are you 12? You're 12. You are absolutely... Oh my God. I got to go back to Hillary Clinton and Jerry Russell. I need to rush back to the classy dames that I am used to. That's really good. Anyway, I'm going to get... And you know, soon I'll be interviewing Rachel Maddow and it'll just... What did you think of Shane Gillis' SNL thing? Here's the thing. They like to get like all mad about, oh, my God, he called women whores. Like, that's like another Tuesday for that idiot. It's not funny.

5:51He wasn't funny. It was like such a lame joke told by a guy who essentially is the last person you dated before he became a lesbian, that guy. And he's just not funny. It was like such an old. And I do think it's part of the same thing I'm talking about, is people are just sick of this just like dumb misogyny. I don't know what else to say. It's just like things are too serious for this like subpar humor. And it wasn't funny. I don't think it was funny. And that's the real crime. I think you're absolutely right. I think it would have been funny. People would have, Bill Burr and, you know, look, there is a line of humor around, I get it, around wokeness going too far and being irreverent. Comedians deserve a wide berth. This isn't dramatic social commentary that requires everyone to have their hair on fire, in my view. The sin was it wasn't funny. Wasn't funny. I agree. We should laugh a lot more. I

6:45agree. But I do also think this anti-woke thing is done. Like, everyone's like, okay, we got it. And now you're annoying, like, essentially. Like, you know, everyone's changing the tune. Joe Rogan all of a sudden is against the war. Trump keeps trying to part people. Like, he literally sounded like a San Francisco lesbian on his last show. I think people are just tired of, like, the anti-woke stuff is over. It's done, I think. And I think people are just tired of, like, the anti-woke stuff is over. It's done, I think. And I think everyone's learned their lesson, including the people who are being too, like, woke. Absolutely. The only, I don't mind. I think it's funny. I think you give comedians a wide berth.

7:15They're supposed to be irreverent. They're supposed to be obnoxious. You give everybody a wide berth. Fine. That's fine. The thing I find, I don't like to word, I think misogyny is overused. I think misandry is underused, quite frankly. I think the majority of female-driven podcasts are basically, let's just talk about how incompetent and irredeemable men are for an hour. Where I do find, I don't want to call it misogyny, but it gets the hairs up on my back. I find this group of Broligar comedians that are all like in that kind of Gillis, Rogan, I forget the other guy. Theo Vaughn. Andrew. Not even, I think Theo Vaughn, I actually think Theo Vaughn has a soul and a heart. He's an empathetic man.

7:57He has a new show coming out, I think on Netflix. I forget the other guy who called Puerto Rico trash. Or whatever, anyways. Oh, that guy. I think actually they're funny how they get your own audience. The thing that makes me, really rattles me, is when they go after female comedians. They have this agreement not to go after each other, but it's open season on Chelsea Handler. They basically tried to, you know, the right basically tried to drive who I think the best comedian of our age right now is Michelle Wolfe. I find what I don't like is male comedians going after female comedians. And there just seems to be a different standard for women who are successful on a comedic tour in are reverent, it's like open season among the bro,

8:47you know, the broligarchy and amongst comedians. They all deserve the right to say really irreverent things. And if you don't, it's like, I love the statement you made. You don't like Chick-fil-A, don't eat at Chick-fil-A. By the way, the CEO threw up all over himself this past weekend. I'm jumping around a lot when he was asked. Okay, you are. Okay. When he was asked about the LGBT community. You didn't see that? Yeah, I did. I don't need to. Oh, my God. He missed a layup. He just should have said, we believe in equal rights for anyone, anyone of any origin. Everyone gets a chicken fucking sandwich. We love everyone. We have gay employees. We have non-white employees. Gays eat chicken sandwiches.

9:21Yes. Come on in. We love you. We promise you the same dignity and respect as anyone else. You've missed a fucking layout. I know. It's really stupid. I do think we are in a moment where people are like, okay, enough with the woke stuff. Enough with the, you know, everyone's like, everyone's learning. Here's an idea. Let's meet in the middle, Kara. Yes. No, not quite the middle. It's like everybody fucking relax. But there are some people with really bad intent, and those people need to go away. They're just mean and nasty, you know, like an Elon, for example. All right. Speaking of Elon, he's denying responsibility for limiting Ukraine's access to Starshield, the military version of Starlink.

9:56He says the system is controlled by the U.S. government and the restrictions are decided by the military and ultimately President Trump. Ukraine lost critical access to Starshield this week, disrupting drone attacks and air defense operations service has reportedly been restored. This follows Trump calling on Ukraine to stop striking Russian oil refineries and saying President Zelensky should be replaced. But Zelensky is pushing back, telling the Financial Times he's done with Trump's energy ceasefire and the Ukraine will resume refinery strikes. He's also hitting data centers more, he said. He said the Starshield disruption was, quote, not a technical problem. It was the will. In this case, you know,

10:31the problem Elon had is he went at Zelensky and then it suddenly shut down. And so I do, I think he's, it is unfair to put this on him. It is run by the government. The decision was made by Trump. That said, he was right in there, you know, slagging Zelensky. And so not a surprise that the way he sort of, you know, peacocks around like he's the shadow president, people are going to assume it's him. And a lot of people reached out to him. I suspect he probably called Trump and said, turn it back on, would be my guess. But I don't know. What do you think? This is unusual. I'm usually the one defending Musk and you're the one going after him. Yeah. I think this is another example of how Musk in concert with Trump are the

11:18Genghis and Khan being traitors to the West. Well, that, shutting it off is insane. It shouldn't have never happened. Well, but first off, Musk hides behind the notion of I don't control StarShield. So StarLink is the commercial venture. StarShield is built on StarLink technology and is now the contract with the Defense Department. I think what's happened here, and I don't know this, this is my speculation, but Occam's razor, the obvious explanation is usually the right one. You have the bad news bears of geopolitical strategy, Kushner and Witkoff go over and say to Zelensky, we'd like you to surrender. They're not asking for peace. They're asking for surrender. And the terms that Kushner and Witkoff want Zelensky to

12:02sign up for, where they basically say, give him what he wants. They think that's peace. That's not a peace. That's scheduling the next war, such that Putin can rearm and then decide if and when he's invading Finland, Poland. I mean, this is- Poland's been particularly irritating to Russia, I think. Well, let's sideline that for a second. But basically, Zelensky said, no, I'm not surrendering. And then I believe what's happened here is fairly obvious. Trump and Musk got on the phone and said, let's throttle back Starlink and send a message to Zelens, that a man who is addicted to ketamine is now deciding geopolitical strategy and who gets to invade Europe or not. I am in violent agreement with you on that.

12:57I have said that a long time. I mean, that he's really, what is this person doing in the middle of this? And he's not like the head of Lockheed, but he is consulting with the president. And the head of Lockheed, they sell the missiles and move along, right? Essentially, they're not on the phone on where and when it should deploy. And he's far too involved in everything we do, 100%. And speaking of which, related, Elon Musk said back in 2025 that in terms of political spending, I'm going to do a lot less in the future. Well, so much for that. He's poured over $276 million in the Republican group and his own super PAC since July, making him the largest known donor of the midterms. And that's just the money that's been publicly disclosed.

13:37His donations include $158 million to the main super PAC back in Republican Senate candidates, one of the largest political donations in American history. It's also as much as the Democrats have raised from everybody. So one single person is responsible. Another big chunk has gone to Ken Paxton. You know, the question is, will he get his money's worth around this time? He's not only trying to influence the midterms of his money, he's spreading disinformation on X, like the story that James Tallarico was in a mental hospital. I mean, this guy is like all his dirty fingers are everywhere in some fashion. Another thing that was in the news was these drone strikes that Ukraine did on three data centers operated by Yandex, which is essentially Russia's Google. Ukraine's President Zelensky suggested these Yandex strikes led to a drop in bot activity with less hate online,

14:29particularly on X. But experts say there's no evidence of that and that the drop in bots appears to be tied to Yandex's web crawlers, automated tools that index websites. It would be nice to get rid of Russian bots. It called attention to the problem with Russian bots, which I think is great. And they should continue to hit Russian data centers. But again, also linked with Musk because his platform is the one spewing out a lot of the information out there. With respect to Elon and political spending, are we comfortable with an individual who controls battlefield technology now and can spend a quarter of a billion dollars and potentially get people elected or keep certain seats in America. I mean, is that what we want? I now believe that

15:12taxes, a progressive tax rate, protect us from corruption. And that is power corrupts, absolute power absolutely corrupts. We need protection from the uber-wealthy nation states or individuals cosplaying nation states. And the way you do that is with taxation. Whether it's concentration of power amongst companies such that they raise the rents such that your chicken and your pharmaceuticals go up faster prices and inflation, whether it's having a check on governments so no narcissist can overrun Congress or the judicial branch. Whether it's someone worth a trillion dollars who can sweat off his brow, put a quarter of a billion dollars into races. When you combine money with distribution, what you have is the most dangerous combination in politics,

15:58and that's what we have here. Also, I do not buy any of this misinformation pushback on what was obvious. When the Yandex server facilities were bombed by Ukraine, Tucker Carlson's engagement fell 72 percent. A lot of conservatives' engagement just fell off a cliff. Do the math, folks. I mean, this is, I've noticed it. The number of times people use the word genocide in my comments has dropped in the last week. Right. But a lot of people who are experts said it's not the same thing. You may think it, but that the bots were, bot traffic was not affected. Just, I mean, there's been a lot of very good reporting on this, but it does suggest that this is maybe a good place to push on. This is a good place to push on the wound, essentially. But they would be stupid not to be doing this.

16:48They can't afford to beat us economically. They can't afford to beat us kinetically. For a small amount of money, they can take advantage of the fact that we have poorest platforms who will cash anybody's check. Using AI, you can spin up bots. I mean, haven't you seen it? Look at the most vile comments in your feed. They're people with three followers. It's a bot. Yes. The bot problem, and it's largely right wing. That's because this is Russia. Also, I want to go the other way. When I say something like, when I just put out a thread or something on social that says 25th Amendment. That's me saying that the president is an incompetent and should be removed from audience. I get thousands of likes because the AI from an adversary says,

17:34that's dividing them, let's elevate that. Let's retweet it, let's rethread it. It works both ways. Then what happens to you as a person? Your incentives are, people like me when I say this divisive thing that the president should be removed. So I'm gonna do more of that. And the more angry and incendiary I get, the more people like me. Yeah, no, it absolutely is creating. Years ago, I think I told you this, when I was looking at some bot, I interviewed a bot person, they were showing me how when Roseanne Barr insulted Valerie Jarrett, suddenly it got to be a big online thing. And then a week later, Sam Bee called Ivanka, see you next Tuesday. That's what she, well, cunt, she said cunt. And it was all the same bots that were doing the anger around it.

18:23Bots started, you know, oh, my God, Roseanne's, you know, oh my God, Roseanne's the best. Oh my God, Roseanne's the worst. They were on all sides of the game. And then people got attracted to it. It's like a traffic, it's like a digital traffic accident that they create. The TikTok algorithm, if you want to gain, okay. So you take the top 10 bestselling authors who are quote unquote thought leaders any week, go on TikTok and do a video saying Andrew Huberman or Mel Robbins or Jay Shetty is a fraud, hundreds of thousands of views. Yeah. Anything that's incendiary and calls out people and- Dunks on people. Immediately and then if you say something mean about it, anything that divides us. I actually think one of the reasons it's so important that people spend more time out of the house and we demand that our kids basically get out.

19:12I've said to my kids, join a gang, shoplift, I don't care as long as it's out of the house. You need to get out and see how wonderful people are because if you're in your room on your phone, you're going to think the whole world sucks. You're going to think everyone is awful. Because the incentives are, I love this statement, we're actually not that divided. We're being divided. A hundred percent. But I do think it's because people stay on these platforms, right? And, you know, I've been having beefs this week by all these dudes that are going back, both Casey and what's his name? Casey, who left Substack because he was offended. And now he's going back to Twitter. That Casey Newton? Yes. And then he left because he was offended by Elon.

19:52Poor Casey. And now he's back. I know. And the same thing happened with Gruber. What's his name? John Gruber, who's another tech. They're like, well, the tech discussion's here. Who got off Twitter first? Who got off Twitter first, Cara? You did. I just deleted all my tweets, by the way, this week, which I was like, you know. I don't. Some of those are comedy gold. No, they're not. Some of mine are comedy gold. I downloaded them all. I have them. I have an archive of them. No, no, no. I meant mine, not yours. No, no. You can archive them to yourself and then not have them. I'm just not painting this asshole's fence. But, you know, everyone's like, why are you so mad about it? I'm like, because it's like for the tiny, it's soul sucking and you are helping someone who is very bad.

20:29Like there's few things you can stand up in life. And I do, I don't think it helps you that much for your business because you're in on the conversation of a small group of AI people or like, oh, it's not so bad in my area. That's like saying, like, I'm living in the good part of this country, but over in the other side of town, they're beating up on Black people. Like, are you kidding me? Like, I just can't take it. Look, I believe, generally speaking, you should separate the person from the politics. I don't like boycotts, generally speaking. I think unless there's, you think you're going to have some real effect. If you think big tech is out of control, I get it. I think consumers should be made aware of their options as a capitalist.

21:14When you are on Twitter, when you own a Tesla, when you use Starlink, and I got to be honest, I'm guilty of this. I love Starlink and I use it. But I sold my Tesla. I got off Twitter because when you are on Twitter or when you are on Starlink or when you are using any of his platforms, you have decided to paint the fence, your term, of someone who cut funding for HIV positive mothers in Africa, who is turning off and on battlefield technology for Ukraine that is literally trying to defend Europe, who is being sued concurrently by two women when he denies and disavows his daughter, his own blood, because this young woman went through transition. That is who you're supporting. At some point, there probably should be, and everyone has to make their own choices. And if you, and

22:06also, I don't have moral clarity on this. I use Starlink and I love it. You don't have much choice, right? And that's really, in this case, it's a complex thing, but please don't flounce out and then slink back in. That's my, I'm like, enough of you. Well, but if you slink back in, at least be honest. I'm going back on because I need to be back on. Do you need to be? Let me just feel for Casey. Casey is a great journalist trying to build a business. He's younger than us. He doesn't have the following of Kara Swisher. He's decided he needs to be back on Twitter because that's where a lot of the action is for him. I get it. But just be honest about it and don't try and pretzel yourself into some sort of.

22:48He was. He's embarrassed. He's appropriately embarrassed about it. But I just am like. I get it. He's a young guy trying to make a living. I get it. Although I was like, oh, I haven't raised my kids properly. That's how I feel about Casey. You're out of the carriage house. Oh. No, he has his own place. And I love him. And then must saying, but you asked, I don't think he's going to get this is people call this a blue wave, right? You can't buy your way out of the price of eggs. And everyone's saying this is a blue wave. It's not a blue wave. It's a red riptide. And it's not that the Democrats are doing anything that right. It's that the Republicans literally have the mother of own goals. But he's saying he's claiming he's going to spend less.

23:31That's like Kara Swisher saying she's not going to text Scott late night with nasty I haven't this week. I've been busy with my ladies. It's just not going to happen. I'm texting Hillary late at night now. That's my new texting. I bet you are. But I'm always like, great job, girl. Go, girl. Well done. Well done, Secretary. What a breath of fresh air you are. Oh, my God.. But I'm always like, great job, girl. Well done. Well, what a breath of fresh air you are. Oh, my God. I did. I wrote her that. Oh, my God. What a breath of fresh air, like a warm summer breeze. Oh, you're the best. Just so fantastic. That suit, that fuchsia suit. Fantastic. One of us is knocked on doors for Secretary Clinton. You should wear more fuchsia

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27:38I do still pay attention to you. Trump's new White House press secretary, Katie Zacharia, held her first briefing on Tuesday, which lasted a total of 14 horrible, awkward, terrible minutes. She read nervously from the script and answered just three questions from reporters, all of whom were in the tank for the Trump administration. When asked whether the U.S. had stopped sharing intel with Ukraine, Zacharia said, I'll have to get back to you on that. Let's listen to this particularly awkward moment from the briefing in a briefing that was particularly awkward moment from the briefing in a briefing that was particularly awkward. The idea of not spending evenings with my kids is completely unacceptable. So my president,

28:11excuse me, my husband, that's a good one, my husband is out here for the week. Oh my, the former Truth Social advisor, which is also, by the way, True Social's falling off a cliff, has faced questions about illegal credentials with no record of being licensed to practice law in the U.S., despite Trump describing her as an attorney. Zacharia reportedly failed the California bar, according to Wall Street Journal, when she asked what she did pass, told reporters, when I moved to China, though she announced that she misheard the question. She did not. It was very loud. And it was by Sean McCreesh. I heard it. You may be thinking to yourself, how many Scaramucci's is she going to last? So we asked the man we've all been waiting to hear from on this to send us

28:53his take, Anthony Scaramucci, the Mooch, who served as White House communications director for a record-breaking 11 days. Let's hear it. I am totally biased. You know I really want her to make it because I would like this record to stand. It's been nine years and I have milked this thing like a dairy farmer. And so I obviously want her to make it longer than me, longer than the lettuce from Liz Truss. But here's what I think is going to happen. If he's keeping her, they're going to put her in a lockbox and give her media training and then bring somebody like Vance out or Rubio to do the press conference with her so she has a crutch. If he's not keeping her, I think it's going to blow her out very quickly,

29:34which would put my tenure, my record tenure in jeopardy. So let's see what happens. But I'm betting, I'm betting he's going to keep her. Yeah, I would agree. I think I said that too. She seems to be settling in as well, seen with Special Assistant to President Natalie Harp. Natalie gave her seal of approval, joining President Trump on Marine Monday. And now there's rumors he's trying to ace out someone who's actually competent, even if she's sort of a quizzling, Susie Wiles. This is the most important job in the, one of the most important jobs in an administration is the communications. And so talk a little bit about this. Can you name a worse blunt rotation? I'm talking, something that's been helpful to me is I call my son every

30:20night, who's a freshman in college, and I know way too much about his life right now. And I know he has a biology test today. And I texted him last night. I'm like, are you ready for your biology test? And he sent me a picture of Katie Zachariah. It doesn't matter. Like, does any of this matter? Yeah, right. I can't have a job. And my favorite, I think I saw somewhere on Thread, someone said, someone needs to tell George W. Bush that it would appear that Katie Zacharia was left behind. Oh. I love that, no child left behind. You've had a good time with this. Oh, I got to be honest. Yeah, for some reason. I absolutely. You like it more than the Kelly Clarkson animatronic bird in Brooklyn thing.

31:04I absolutely love her. I think, first off, I like hot people. She's hot. I think she's really, really attractive. Okay. Kind of in a cheap way, but okay. I've been putting out all night when I moved to China. Any question I get when I moved to China? When did you pass the bar when I moved to China? I want serious, Scott. What is this? Does it matter? Because Trump is his own spokesperson. At this point. Who cares? I don't know. And to be fair, she did graduate with honors from the Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good. And who want to learn to do other stuff good, too. There's a great Atlantic piece of comedy piece about that. Learning how to, he hates the alphabet. She attended the Four Seasons Law School.

31:52I mean, this is just going to be- Pepperdine, Pepperdine. She looked like a newborn baby giraffe taking its first steps. I mean, she's just- But does it matter? Like, let's ground you in. We can make fun of her all day long, but is it going to hurt him? I don't know. Although a lot of people said it looked, the past two press directors looked like Churchill compared to her. And they're all blonde ladies, just be clear. I was like, Scott Jennings, where are you? She's what you get when you scrap DEI programs. Yeah, that's true. Okay. I'm speechless. I'm here for it. I hope she survives. It's going to make press briefings fun again. It's going to make press briefings great again. I just can't wait.

32:41I hope they keep her. What's the last one's name? What's her name? Levitt? Levitt, right. She was as sharp as a fucking tack. She could lie with such skills. She's very good. And kind of mean. She was very good. Mean. I wouldn't turn my back on her. This one, you could trip. Like, you know, one of those things where you go, you know, oh, there's something on your shirt, and then hit their face and do it again and again. You ever do that to your kids? Well, she does. She does have a law degree, but it escaped from a lab in Wuhan. All right. We're moving on. We're moving on to a serious topic because you refused to give an actual answer. Donald Trump says the execution of Nadelle Hassan, the former major convicted of

33:23killing 13 people at Fort Hood in 2009, will not be live streamed. This is something I actually said on Hillary's show. I didn't think he was going to do it. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced last week that the public would be able to watch Hassan's December 3rd firing squad execution. The plan was called medieval and barbaric, drawing backlash from both Republicans and Democrats and the Pope, everybody. Hillary Clinton, I talked about it on this episode of this new podcast, High Stakes, the former Secretary of State, who knows a thing or two about explaining why broadcasting in execution like this would have dangerous consequences. She's not talking just about the morality of it. Let's listen.

33:57I think it could become a recruiting tool. It could become, in a funny way, a message to radical jihadist extremists that you can die a martyr's death. If you go kill Americans, you will be immortalized. When we did the bin Laden operation, one of the issues we had to deal with is what to do with bin Laden's body. If we had published pictures of his body and the wounds that he had suffered in the firefight that took place inside that compound, we would have martyred him in a very visually dramatic way. And we didn't do that. And we also didn't bury him somewhere that could become a pilgrimage place for extremists. Trump had the opposite tag. Let me read what this is, what you just posted on True Social.

35:02I think streaming the execution for all to see might have been a strong deterrent for the world to witness how America deals with terrorists and scum like Hassan, but many very good and well-meaning people would rather not watch him die through streaming or through any other visual device. I think he's just trying to get out of this. I think she's 100% right. This is like, and especially this guy's in a wheelchair. The whole thing is, the barbarism aside, I think she's making the correct point is this is a great thing for countries who do these things, like in Afghanistan or Iran. Look, this is a very serious topic. And my view is that literally within a minute, Katie Zachariah solved imposter syndrome or cured imposter syndrome for the entire human race.

35:41That's a joke. You didn't think that was funny? I got it. She cured imposter syndrome? I got it. I saw that one. That's good comedy. You didn't think that was funny? I got it. She cured imposter syndrome? I got it. I saw that one. That's good comedy. All right, do this one. Okay, all right. This is another visual, though. Well, I think, look, I think Secretary Clinton gets this exactly right, and that is, this is how fucking stupid our Secretary of Defense, and it will go back to being the Defense Department, not the Department of War, he wants to turn this guy into a hero, into a martyr. And they handled, competence needs to become the new black again. Giving bin Laden, they washed his body in accordance with-

36:17Islamic law. They wrapped him and then they buried him at sea. And they didn't want to make it and they didn't want to make it. What Hexas wants to do, he thinks this is a warning. No, it's not. He's producing a recruitment video and he's handing jihadists the highest production value content they've ever had. This is, look, Hassan deserves what the law hands him, but America doesn't deserve to become a country that streams it. And jihadist radicals don't deserve the greatest content they've, you know, ever. This is, this is. It's stupidity. Well, it's not only it, it's a unique combination of depravity and stupidity. It's like, OK, we're I mean, thinking, you want to talk about ghoulish, what are the logistics here?

37:07He's in a fucking wheelchair. They were going to lift him out of a wheelchair and hang him? What were they going to do? Yeah, exactly. And this would have been the most watched video in the world. And it would have further cemented the notion that I'd like to believe is a temporary bump in the road, but a lot of people think is the new road, that America is no longer the good guys. It's brutal. I was, a whole time I thought about kids because kids would get to it. Oh, God. You know, online, because it's not like just it's on TV, they can't watch it, it's only on watch. This would go everywhere and kids would look at it. And, you know, kids are already too much video content that's violent. There is.

37:45But this is like the real fucking deal. And that's what I kept thinking of, like, oh, my God, like a certain kid of 14, a boy, right, is just not just so bad for them in so many ways. And, you know, Trump pretending like it would deterrent. It's not a deterrent to these people, Donald Trump. And again, Hillary's right on that regard. But I think focusing in on the heinousness is important and the immoral nature of it. But more important is it's not going to do what you think it's going to do. And as usual, it's just, you know, the moronic Pete Hague says without talking to experts. And in the case of bin Laden, what Clinton was saying is they consulted like all kinds of experts to figure out what to do. And some people wanted

38:30to show those pictures, but they had a big debate internally and then came to recommendations for Obama, President Obama. And that's how it should be, right? They had a full debate inside and there were people on the side of, and one of the issues they had was if they didn't show the pictures of him dead, there'd be all these conspiracies that he was still alive, which is something to consider, right? Something to consider. But in the end, you know, becoming a recruitment video is exactly what happened here and a brutal and disgusting one too. Anyway, I knew Trump was going to not do this. He had been calling around to people. Yeah, that pushback here was pretty universal. I know. But initially he was, because his instinct is for stupidity and exhibitionism.

39:12The good side, the silver lining here is that we all got to witness Katie Zachariah's first day on earth yesterday. And I'm excited to see day two. I'm excited to see day two. Oh, that poor woman. I shouldn't say poor woman. I am so here for Katie. She loves the pizza gates down. I had a poster of Farrah Fawcett. Then I had a poster of Supertramp until I found out it was all dudes, not beautiful women, singing that lovely lyrical. I'm going to put a poster of Katie Zachariah in my bedroom. I think she is, I am, this is a gift. This is a gift to Scott. It's a recruitment video. It's a gift. Recruitment thing for Scott. All of us. It's not. I just, she's pathetic. I think her and Peter Doocy should have 50 kids and we should take over the Grenada together.

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43:52and a search uncovered a second recording device in the employee's bag. The employee has been charged with illegally intercepting communications through OpenAI, so there's no evidence that sensitive information or code were stolen. I feel like he's from another country too. And they're worried about just, you know, they should have had very locked down situation. I've been to that headquarters and they're a little loose with their security, I would say. I wandered around for a while. That was like maybe six, eight months ago. You know, obviously, is there something bigger behind it or any thoughts on this? People think that espionage is James Bond in an Austin Martin, you know, infiltrating a cliffside lair and having a gunfight.

44:36It's not. is commutes to Gowanus and works at Google, or an AI engineer who's been put through undergrad and grad and gets on a quote unquote advisory board back in China, and then is asked not to reveal that, and then before they know it, they're uploading thumb drives. The corporate espionage vastly, vastly outnumbers or dwarfs actual espionage, because there's so much money on the line. The way China is beating us is they steal our IP and then they sell it back to us for 60 cents on the dollar. And they do that. The greatest economic program in history is corporate or IP theft slash corporate espionage. Yeah. And what we have here. Have you ever had that happen to you? My companies aren't important enough.

45:30Well, still. So I don't think it's happened to me. What has happened to me is as a faculty member, I've worked with, I'm choosing my words carefully here. worked with, I'm choosing my words carefully here, there's a recognition amongst our security apparatus that the most powerful tech companies have spies everywhere. And what's interesting about spies, Kara, is they don't realize they're spies, or a lot of them don't. Now, imagine you're a kid from a small village in China, and you're just academically a superstar, and you keep getting elevated to better and better schools, and then they academically a superstar and you keep getting elevated to better and better schools. And then they say, how'd you like to go to Dartmouth and have everything

46:11paid for? Great. They go, they're outstanding. And they say, hey, would you like a job at Google or Starlink? And we can help you. And this kid ends up at Starlink. And then they're asked to go on a quote unquoteunquote domestic advisory board. And by the way, don't let your employer know about it. But our security apparatus is hip to it. There are people, Google and these companies know they have dozens if not hundreds of spies internally. And then our security apparatus, you want to talk about spy versus spy, also has agents pretending to be engineers trying to root them out. And then what they do is when they find that they're actual spies uploading information or providing information back to the GRU or the Mossad.

46:54By the way, the West spies on each other. There is so much spy. Oh, yeah. No, the Israelis do a lot of spy. Or back to the CCP. They then bring them in to, they sit them down with a domestic agent and they say, okay, door one is we unmask you and you have to go home to China. That's the biggest threat. We're sending you home. Or door number two is you're going to begin to work with us and you can stay in your apartment in Brooklyn and to continue to go to the Soho house, but you're now working with us. There is so much back and forth, but what you have here is the most valuable IP on earth sits in conference rooms with WeWork-level security. Yeah, it's true. It is really amazing. I used to wander around. I was always struck by that. They have locked it down much more

47:43in many years since. But, boy, were you able to wander around those halls, like, in a way that was very strange. The best ad for OpenAI is that it used its own AI to catch the guy. That's the best product demo they've done all year. Yeah, they definitely have a picture of him. Anyway, interesting development, and we'll probably see more of it. Another interesting story, Apple has unveiled its new HomeView, a $299 smart home tablet, marking another major product launch under new CEO John Ternes. The seven-inch device can sit on the counter or mount on the wall and uses facial recognitions to identify up to six household members and personalize their messages, calendars, and apps. HomeView will feature Apple's revamped AI-powered Siri. We'll see. As the company tries

48:25to gain ground in a market where Amazon holds nearly 50% of the smart speaker sales through its Amazon Echo and others. These devices, they keep, Facebook tried to put one in the house. They all do. I mean, what do you think? Will it catch? I don't want one of these, but maybe. Well, I'm generally critical of new tech products, but I actually think this. Cheap, right? Well, okay. So a $300 tablet entering a market where Amazon holds 50% of the market, you know, the problem here isn't the hardware. The problem is Siri, right? And so this is why I think it ultimately wins. It's amazing to me that the most valuable asset any consumer owns, their home, has such a dearth of really aspirational brands in the home.

49:15It does. Name a ubiquitous furniture brand. Right. I mean, I have a Sonos, I guess. Okay. So, that's one brand, hardly any market cap. But you'll sell, there will be a $3 million home for sale, and they'll list sub-zero, a $4,000 or $6,000 refrigerator. There are so few, and just being very honest, I will buy one of these because I like the idea of an Apple appliance in my home. I think it's really strong signaling and self-expressive benefit. And there are so few great brands within, you know, even in expensive cars now, they have Bang & Olufsen and they have, I mean, they have different kind of sub-brands within Recaro seats. And within the home, there are actually, there's shockingly few brands.

50:04And if you can advertise SubZero as a listing or as a feature on a multimillion dollar asset, Apple is the strongest consumer brand in the world right now. Let me get back to what you said. Will you use it? I have tried all these things and I never, the phone works just fine. Like I don't, like I just don't see, I have not, I have had all, every single one of these. I even tried the stupid meta one and largely I didn't use it because I don't want him in my house, essentially, any Facebook stuff in my house. But, and I trust Apple a little more, but away from the trusting of it, which is another big issue, I use my Sonos and I know it's not that big. I do not, I never use these things because the phone is right at my fingertips,

50:46essentially, and with me at all times. I don't know. Maybe people will. I do think there's room. Look, I have, for whatever reason, I have a bunch of interfaces in my house for temperature, to turn things off and on. They're very confusing. I do think someone's going to bring it. Apple has more license to bring it all together and have an Apple logo and say, all right, you want to turn your pool heater on. You want to take the temperature down. You want to have the lights go off. It's needed. Someone needs to bring it all together because every time I'm in a new place, I'm trying to figure out how to make shit work. I don't even know how those, like you have so many things on the wall and they're all very complicated in a way.

51:26Yeah, the thermostat, the temperature, just everything. And it's all going digital. So someone, Apple has more license and opportunity to bring it all together than anybody else. Yeah, I guess, we'll see. It seems like $299, you're not gonna get that much features, but we'll see. Also, I want, under the notion of, I do think Apple has more credibility around privacy. I would like an Apple device that uses motion detection that when I walk in at night, it knows exactly how to turn my lights on to what level. That it immediately- Well, presumably that's where this is going, right? It recognizes you. And then when I walk into my bedroom and it's after 11 p.m., it gives me three minutes to get undressed and then it starts to dim the lights to just, you know.

52:11Is that all it takes? Or at some point it'll connect to my whatever the mattress is that cools up or down. Maybe voice says, do you want to wake up tomorrow at 7.30 or whatever? Someone's going to bring this all together. There's a lot of friction at home that is unnecessary and then create one interface. For example, I used to be a member of that thing called Inspirato where you rent homes all over the world. One of the genius moves of Inspirato was it had the same fucking TV remote. They just said, learn one remote. Right. Yeah, exactly. Rich people. I know it's hard same fucking TV remote. Oh, yeah. They just said, learn one remote. Right. Yeah, exactly. Rich people. I know it's hard for you rich people.

52:49At my age, I can't figure out how to turn on the TV if I'm in a different place. Think about it. A, I'm not turning on the TV anymore. But the last time I tried, I wanted to watch the Man City-Liverpool game. I had to call my 16-year-old and say, how do I log into, you know, Sky TV and figure this out? And do we have a subscription to this? Do we not? No, it happens everywhere. I agree. The home is a real place where it's still very friction-filled. And I'm just remembering many years ago, every big techie I used to visit would have these elaborate systems, and they wanted to show them to me all the time. Like I remember one guy, he had this panel. It would be like, this is how you turn on the light.

53:32And it was so complex. And I went over to a different panel and it was an on-off switch. I go, oh, look, on, off, on, off. You don't remember those? Oh, God. I mean, this has never worked in the home. I do not welcome it in my home, but we'll see where it goes. I like the simplicity of on-off switches. But it recognizes up to six people in your household. For me, that's my partner, two kids, my dog, and then the three versions of me, depending on how much tequila I've had. And of course, Katie Zachariah, who's going to be your new best friend. It's sad, Scott. It's depressed, Scott. All right. They should do your moods. Like, oh, Scott's going to need this. Let's serve up this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

54:10Anyway. He's going dark. Bring in the dogs. Put the lights up. Bring the dogs, yeah. All right, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions. Support for this show comes from AG1. October can be a month of big changes in your routine. The season shifts, the light changes, and sometimes your whole rhythm gets thrown off balance, including your diet. So if you feel like you've let some good eating habits go by the wayside, you can get things back on track with AG1. All it takes is one scoop in cold water every morning before anything else. AG1 NextGen has 75 plus ingredients, vitamins, minerals, pre and probiotics, and superfoods. It helps you maintain energy while supporting gut health and immune health.

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57:23I'm going to go a tiny bit first. Recording a few hours before Elon Musk is expected to reveal the Tesla Roadster event in Texas after years of delays. Elon posted on the next that the Roadster is a candidate for the greatest product demo of all time. I mean, fine. I'm sure it's adorable. It's taken forever. So many delays. Okay, fine, whatever. I don't think it's going to be hit it out of the park and change the situation at Tesla. And by the way, analysts at Barclay are saying Tesla SpaceX merger could be announced at Tesla's annual general meeting this year, which is something, of course, that I have said was going to happen. It's inevitable, given the downward slope of the sales of that

57:58company. And I don't think the Roadster is going to save them by any means. They need a general purpose, inexpensive electric car, which they have, you know, they have one, but they haven't innovated on it. So hardly matters, this Roadster. I'm sure it's very nice. I'm sure it's a very nice product. Yeah. I think this thing sends the stock up, you know, 5% or whatever. And it's an incredible product demo. It breaks the zero to 60 claim. The zero to 60 claim breaks the Internet, the stock pops, and not one paying customer has a Roadster in the driveway by the end of 2027. He doesn't sell cars. He sells the future on layaway. There's never been an engineer that's able to manufacture so much. He's a flim flammer.

58:44I mean, he's just, he's, he's P.T. Barnum. He literally, yeah, he's the ultimate carnival barker. And it's resulted in a business strategy where he gets access to cheaper capital to pull the future forward and results in an ability to launch, be responsible for 93% of the payload launches, which by the way, is incredible in the drill engineering. Can I say nobody who wants a roadster can afford a roadster and everybody else just wants a good electric car. They just want... Well, the problem, you know, I have a Cybertruck and the problem is all the bitches that want to get in when I stop at a stop sign. Such as Katie Zachary. That's exactly who rides in a Cybertruck with you. It's a Cybertruck.

59:16Katie Zachary. So, you know, people want in. She's the only woman you could lure into that. There's like a comedian named Dan DeSino or someone. If someone tells me and I'll reference him correctly. It's hilarious. Look, mine is I'm going to cheat because we didn't, because you were off with Secretary Clinton cheating on me. We didn't have wins and fails. I've been using all of this news and my outlet for it as I try and turn it into, I don't want to call it a lesson, but a talking point for me and my boys. And I've been thinking a lot about what's going on in some of the headlines. And it's like, okay, the media, universities, fraternities, live executions. And I'm saying, okay, what I'm going to do is I'm going to try and distill all of it down to a lesson, which may be wrong, because I have never done anything in my life that I'm more insecure about than parenting.

1:00:07And I talk to my sons about it as a means of a conversation. And hopefully some of it resonates and some of it's right. And some of it helps me do what I'm supposed to do, and that is prepare my sons for others. And my fail is I think that we have normalized being really critical of women's looks. And I'm a sexist here, and that is regardless of how many subscriptions to The Atlantic or The New York Times you have, for thousands of years, we have evaluated women and men based on their fertility and their power, respectively. Our job as a species is to propagate. And so we look at women through the lens of cues for their fertility. High cheekbones, thick hair, porcelain skin, wide hips, big breasts.

1:01:06We look for features of fertility that, quote unquote, make them, from a very anthropological perspective, fertile. And then we look at men as protectors of young, their power. And as society evolves to more capitalist society, basically how much money they make. So when you insult a woman's looks, you're really going at the core. You're really cutting to something very instinctively hurtful, more so than a man. And when you insult, let me flip it. You would never say about a man, or I never see it, dude, you are so lazy and competent and stupid, you will never be able to develop the economic power to take care of a family. You will not be able to procreate because you are such a weak, irresponsible,

1:01:54undisciplined man. You will never get to procreate because you are so ineffectual in the world. To say that to a man would be so puncturing and ugly that people don't say it. But when we have podcasters saying that her claims of assault have less veracity because she's unattractive, speaking about Jane Doe. Yeah, that's Megyn Kelly. You're talking about Megyn Kelly. When people are comfortable posting memes of a billionaire's wife. This is Susan Dell. So anyways, I'm going to take this forward. I talked to my boys about it, and I said, look, I think the most accretive thing we could do in the history of the world would be fathers who are much more engaged in their children's lives. And what I've said to my boys when we talk about it, I said, there's two doors with respect to women's looks.

1:02:48Door one is she looks great, in terms of any evaluation of a woman's looks. Door one, she looks great. It's okay to say that someone looks great, even hot if you want, I'm down with that. That they dress well, they look great. Door two is nothing. And there is no door three. surgeries, and it's hard to ignore. What do you do? Do you just ignore? You just say ignore it. Because some of them are, it's like, it's jarring in many ways, whether it's a, I'm not going to name the names. There's a lot of them. And so, and the changes are significant. Is that totally off base or since people are doing it themselves and publicly appearing. So it's a really great debate, but I agree with you. It got really, both of the things got very ugly,

1:03:50very fast in a way that's just puerile, right? Just same way Shane Gillis was, same thing. It's just dumb. But there are moments where you're like, well, can you ignore it? Let me ask you that, I guess. I think mocking a guy like Bezos, who I think looks good for his filler, I think there's a lot of sunlight between that and having thriller videos and showing a billionaire's wife as a ghoul over and over. I just, okay, if you want to make fun of Nicole Kidman, she looks amazing. Every star, and I'm starting to believe that almost every wealthy person at some point will have Botox or more. Why? Because they can. But there's a lot of sunlight between that, a famous person, and the wife of somebody who, quite frankly, didn't ask to be famous, and just dragging her.

1:04:45Yeah, it was real distasteful. And then the notion that a victim, and I am comfortable calling Jane Doe a victim, she's a victim of something. We can have arguments over the legality of it. She's a victim. You don't say that she's less of a victim because she's not attractive. It's just, you would never, if a man was raped in prison and accusing people, you wouldn't say, oh, it's unlikely he was raped because he's not good looking. Right, no. Megyn Kelly has taken the most heinous turn on this, well, on everything. My point is just, as I'm trying to think, okay, everyone has a fucking opinion. And I'm like, okay, well, how do you narrow the opinion or the delta between your opinions and actually doing something? And I

1:05:27look at it through the lens of being a dad. A fairly basic lesson, I think, there is a different standard for women. You do not reference a woman's looks unless it's positive. Full stop. You just don't. Just don't go there. No reason to. No upside. This is a very good thing to talk to your kids about. It really is. It's really hard because it is hard to not see and say. And I think people have to exercise much more civility in that regard. I agree. It's gone Indiana Democrat running for county council seat. She appeared on a local TV forum and appeared to be having a nice evening with possibly some tequila. Oh, God, that was great. You forwarded that to me. That made my night. You know, I mean, I noticed it, but she

1:06:17was so, ugh. I just want to talk to Democrats. And by the way, we got guns. I was like, I just, she's a legend. I'm sorry. She looked great. I'll have a floater in my daiquiri. She looked great, let me say, as fat women. That was, I don't know why that like- There was real joy. Also, that representative who crashed out after his debate. Oh my God, Andy Harris. He's always been crazy. That was good. You can't take me. That was good. Yes, my God. Andy Harris. He's always been crazy. That was good. You can't take me. That was good. Yes, you can. This is a two-party state. It's a public forum and a public environment and you're reporters, but I have not agreed to you filming me. Jamie Raskin, let me say, if you want to go find it, anybody, did a great takedown.

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