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📅 2026-07-03 ⏱ 41 min episode · ~3 min read 📝 Transcript · 6,435 words

Project Chronos | Hitler's Last Weapon

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You get the fun of the wildest Nazi wonder-weapon legend and the discipline of watching it collapse to one uncorroborated source — with a real, verifiable mercury-engine story underneath that is stranger than the myth.

In this episodeIgor WitkowskiNick Cook — The Hunt for Zero PointHans KammlerJakob SporrenbergWernher von BraunOperation PaperclipHarold KaufmanNASA SERT-2Salvatore PaisUS NavyApollo FusionMinamata Convention

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“The construction of the machines has not been explained for the sake of secrecy and not due to lack of knowledge.” AJ (reading King Bhoja) · at 3:50 — open in the transcript →
“Just because you can build something doesn't mean you should.” AJ · at 18:16 — open in the transcript →

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The episode runs the full Die Glocke mythology first. In 1010, King Bhoja of central India writes engineering manuals with usable schematics for everything except his mercury-powered flying machines, whose construction he withholds 'for the sake of secrecy.' A thousand years later, Hitler — obsessed with Vedic technology and losing the atomic race — allegedly builds the bell in a mine complex in Poland: a 15-foot machine of counter-rotating mercury cylinders running on 'Xerum 525' red mercury, code-named Kronos because its real goal was not anti-gravity but sending information back in time. The scientists sicken and die, SS commander Jakob Sporrenberg is hanged having supposedly mentioned the project, around 60 project staff are executed to keep the secret, and Hans Kammler — Hitler's fixer for the V-2 and the tunnel complexes — vanishes with four contradictory death stories and no body, despite US documents listing him in American custody after he supposedly died.

The middle of the episode is the part that is actually true and genuinely strange: NASA engineer Harold Kaufman built the first ion engine in the 1960s, and it ran on mercury vapor that glowed pale blue. The SERT-2 satellite, launched in 1970 with a six-month life expectancy, ran for 11 years and restarted more than 500 times — one of NASA's most successful programs — and NASA walked away from it anyway because mercury was poisoning the people building the engines. AJ then connects the legend to the present: aerospace engineer Salvatore Pais filed Navy patents for gravity-warping craft, compact fusion and cloaking that were initially rejected as science fiction and approved in 2018 after the Navy's CTO invoked China, and in 2018 the startup Apollo Fusion pitched cheap mercury satellite engines that a whistleblower calculated would rain roughly 20 tons of mercury a year back into the atmosphere — a loophole in the Minamata Convention the UN only closed in 2022.

Then the debunk: the entire Glocke story traces to Polish journalist Igor Witkowski in 2000, who says an intelligence contact let him read Sporrenberg's interrogation transcripts but not copy them; no one else has seen them, and Sporrenberg's actual file concerns war crimes, not wonder weapons. The bugged Farm Hall transcripts of Germany's top ten physicists, released in 1992, contain no bell, no red mercury, no Kronos. The famous concrete pillars are a water-tower base. What survives scrutiny: Bhoja and his texts are real, Kammler's fate genuinely is classified and murky, mercury propulsion worked and was abandoned for its toxicity, and the Pais patents are real but unsupported by peer-reviewed evidence.

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01The Die Glocke legend has Hitler building a mercury-powered anti-gravity bell in a Polish mine, with the scientists working on it sickening and dying.
02Every version traces to Polish journalist Igor Witkowski, who said in 2000 that a contact let him read SS interrogation transcripts he could not copy.
03The bugged Farm Hall recordings of Germany's ten top physicists, released in 1992, contain no bell, no red mercury and no Project Kronos.
04NASA's mercury-fuelled SERT-2 ion engine, built to last six months, ran 11 years and restarted over 500 times before mercury poisoning ended the program.
05Apollo Fusion's 2018 mercury satellite thrusters exploited a gap in the Minamata Convention that would have vented about 20 tons of mercury a year.
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3:50automated guards that swung swords at anyone who tried to pass. Every invention was described in precise detail, right down to usable engineering schematics. But he wasn't so generous in his newest and most interesting entry, Flying Machines. He wrote about a great bird built of light wood with a human controlling wings from the inside. At the machine's center, a sealed vessel of mercury heated by fire propelled the machine through the sky. How exactly the heated mercury defined gravity, Boger refused to say. There was a heavier craft shaped like a temple. Inside were four massive cylinders of mercury sent over ovens. And just like the wooden bird, the temple would fly. Boga wrote down the materials and the proportions. The mercury, the fire, how to pilot the craft, everything. Everything except how to build it. His other inventions came with step-by-step instructions, not these. The construction of the machines has not been explained for the sake of secrecy and not due to lack of knowledge. In that respect, that should be known as the reason. They are not fruitful when disclosed. I can build these. That doesn't mean I should.

5:05In ancient India, mercury was almost sacred. Mystics believed it could purify metals, cure diseases, even extend life. It was the most powerful substance they knew. But they didn't realize how dangerous it was. Hitler was obsessed with ancient myths and artifacts. He sent archaeologists looking for the Holy Grail, the Spear of Destiny, even Thor's Hammer. artifacts. He sent archaeologists looking for the Holy Grail, the Spear of Destiny, even Thor's hammer. Mjolnir! What? Mjolnir. Thor's hammer was called Mjolnir. How is that relevant? I'm just trying to impress the Marvel movie fans. Wait, there are still Marvel movie fans? Yeah, you make a point. Hitler brought in Sanskrit and Vedic experts to translate the ancient Indian texts that described exotic technology, specifically Vamanas, which could generate free energy and defy gravity. And some are shaped like a bell. Germany already had the most advanced aircraft in the world. They deployed the first jet fighters. They were dramatically faster and better armed than Allied piston and prop planes. They had the best tanks, the best subs. Sandwiches. Submarines. Ah, that makes more sense. The problem was fuel. A working Vimana solves this. Unlimited energy, anti-gravity. A few well-armed Vimanas could end the war in weeks, maybe days. But Mercury had even more powerful properties. It's the reason the bell had a code name, Kronos. Time. Hitler didn't just want to win the war.

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9:01This was the danger King Boja hinted at. It's why he left a warning. It's why he hesitated. A thousand years later, the Nazis didn't hesitate. The temptation was too great. The stakes were too high. Research was done in a repurposed mine that extended deep beneath the mountains. A network of tunnels connected the labs and living quarters. Scientists working on the bell couldn't leave the site. All that mattered was the work. The Nazis knew they were losing the race for the atomic bomb. They were close, but the Manhattan Project was gonna get there first. So Hitler needed a different weapon, something the Allies couldn't build, something they couldn't fight, something they couldn't even imagine. 15 feet tall, 9 feet wide, made of a hard, heavy metal and shaped like a church bell the glocka maintenance panels and portholes ran all the way around it but that was about it the real magic was inside the machine its engine the cylinders spun in opposite directions spin mercury fast enough and the counter rotation could generate anti-gravity, dimension shifting, even invisibility. The Bell's test site was a ring of 11 massive concrete pillars. Each had a heavy iron bolt and chain to tether the machine. A web of wires ran out of the machine and into different consoles and equipment.

10:19Since the engine distorted gravity, it also distorted time. On top of the Bell was a special mirror that showed glimpses of the past. That was the main goal of Project Kronos. Free energy was good. Anti-gravity was better. But unlocking the secret to time travel, that was how you build an empire to last a thousand years. And the bell didn't necessarily have to send people back in time. It just needed to send information. Like the D-Day landing site, a new Enigma code, or warning against attacking the Soviet Union. The Bell was a true Wunderwaffe, a wonder weapon. But the irony was, the Time Machine project was running out of time. The Allies tore through Europe from the west, heading straight for Berlin. From the east, the Red Army. Two million soldiers, 8,500 planes, 6,500 tanks. They were unstoppable. But when the Russians finally captured the mine, it was empty. The Nazis were gone. The bell was gone. And by the time the war was over, every scientist who worked on the project was dead or missing the soviets didn't think the mine was abandoned they thought someone got there first murdered the scientists and stole the bell they believed the bell was on an unmarked ship somewhere traveling by night slowly and

11:37quietly maybe a merchant ship maybe a private vessel they didn't know for sure. But the Soviets were sure of one thing. The bell was headed to the United States. The trap door of the gallows dropped, and SS Commander Jakob Sporenberg fell. The noose around his throat pulled tight and snapped his neck. A few spasms, then the Nazi commander was gone. He was captured by the British in May of 1945. During questioning, he mentioned Die Glocke. Now, he wouldn't say what the bell did, but he did say the project was closed and everyone who worked on it was dead. Around 60 men executed, so the secret would stay buried. The Brits turned him over to the Poles, who tried, convicted, and hanged him the same day. Whatever Sporenberg knew about the Bell disappeared at the end of that rope. The man at the center of the Bell project was Hans Kammler. Kammler was Hitler's fixer, the man in charge of impossible projects. He oversaw the V-2 rocket program, the world's first ballistic missile. He supervised the Nazi jet aircraft factories. He also ran the tunnel system under the mountains, including the one they called Der Riese, the

12:57giant. Miles of reinforced chambers carved into the rock by prisoners who worked until they died. He designed the mine complex where the bell was built. But in November 1945, Kammler disappeared. Now, some say he shot himself. Others say he took cyanide. One story says he died in a firefight. Another that he was captured but escaped. Four stories. None produce a body. In 1948, a German court declared him legally dead on the testimony of his driver and aide. Again, no body, no dog tags, no grave. Just two men swearing he was gone. But that's not what the paperwork says. A U.S. military document dated May 30, 1945 lists the senior German prisoners in American hands. Hermann Goering is at the top of the page. Eighteen names later, Hans Kammler. Researchers later found U.S. intelligence reports that put Hans Kammler alive in American custody months after the day he supposedly died. Then he vanished. The men who chased the story think they know why. Kammler made a deal. He traded information for freedom and a new life. But the US wasn't interested in tunnels or jets or rockets. They had those.

14:12They wanted the Glocka. They wanted the Bell. More than 1,600 German scientists and engineers were quietly brought to the United States after the war. The program was Operation Paperclip. In exchange for working for the Americans, their war crimes were forgiven and their background sanitized. The most famous was Wernher von Braun, who designed the V2 rocket. That rocket eventually became the Saturn V, which took us to the moon. Fake news. Please don't. 50 years ago, they had the technology to get to the moon. Yet somehow I have a room, but I can't find the kitchen. About 20,000 prisoners died building his rockets, worked to death or hanged in the factory as a warning, all on von Braun's watch, Major Werner von Braun of the SS. Instead of a rope, he got a job, a title, and a pension. Ah, Nazis commit war crimes and get a pension and a dental plan. We tell the truth and get an IRS audit. Only in America. That's actually true. But while von Braun headed to NASA, Kammler went nowhere. Officially, the man who led the Glocka didn't make it to America. But the technology did. What do you do when the math stops making sense? Thirty-nine trillion dollars in debt, another trillion printed every few weeks, stagflation

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16:54Strap a cockpit to a bomb, light the fuse, and pray. Nazi missiles, NASA rockets, same design. Violent, loud, and over in minutes. Nobody thought there was any other way to move through space. Nobody except one engineer at NASA who thought the whole approach was backwards. In the early 1960s, Harold Kaufman wanted the opposite of a rocket. Not a single violent burst. A gentle push that never stopped. An engine that used very little fuel at once, but kept running and running and running for months, maybe years. The problem was nobody knew how to build it. The existing designs didn't work, so Kaufman built his own. And he worked mostly on instinct. He could feel how the charged gas behaved inside the engine before the math caught up. But it caught up. His colleagues were terrified. Kaufman's work was dangerous. He could turn the building into a smoldering crater. But his instinct was right, again and again. And he finally got it to work. Take liquid mercury and boil it into a vapor. Hit that vapor with electrons to charge the atoms. Then throw the charged atoms out the back of the engine at tens of thousands of miles an hour. Now, one atom does almost nothing, but trillions of them, hour after hour,

18:11could push a spacecraft clear across the solar system. That's the power of sustained thrust. Yeah, I'll show you some sustained thrust. Take it easy. Sorry, sorry, it's the peptides talking. So that was the first ion engine, and it ran on mercury when it fired it glowed a pale blue the same pale blue the germans saw coming off the glocka in 1970 nasa bolted kaufman's engine to a satellite called sir2 and waited for it to die it didn't they hoped it would run for six months it ran for 11 years they shut it off and restarted it more than 500 times and it kept working it finally ran out of fuel in 1981 but it didn't crash it didn't break down it's still up there we're still tracking it cert 2 is considered one of nasa's greatest successes in its entire history but they walked walked away from it. Not because it failed, because of what it ran on. Mercury poisoned the people who built the engines. It contaminated the spacecraft. One crash on the launch pad would spread it across the whole site. They bailed on the most efficient engine they ever designed, because they finally understood what King Bojan knew a thousand years before. Just because you can build something doesn't mean you should. But someone always picks the dangerous idea back up.

19:30There's always someone who thinks they can control it. Around 2017, the US Navy quietly filed a handful of strange patents, warping gravity for flight, bending gravity into a weapon, cloaking a craft by spinning charged matter. Every one of those technologies traced back to de Glocke. This couldn't be a coincidence. There was only one explanation that made sense. The US Navy was building the Nazi bell. In 2017, the US Patent. Patent Office denied the U.S. Navy several patents. That's because they sounded like science fiction. A particle weapon that could knock a missile out of the sky. A fusion reactor small enough to fit in a garage. Gravity shielding, cloaking, lensing. And a patent for a vehicle that sounds familiar. A cone-shaped craft that could fly through the air, dive into the ocean, and cross through space. It leaves no heat signature and runs on a single anti-gravity engine. When these patents were rejected as fiction, the Navy's chief technology officer told the patent office, all these inventions worked. And by the way, China was also working on the same technology. So in 2018, the patents were approved. China's doing it. All these inventions worked. And by the way, China was also working on the same technology. So in 2018, the patents were approved.

20:47China is doing it. Those magic words get any project approved. That's true. Especially projects that try to, uh, gain new functions. Okay. What, bat joke? I mean, bear joke? That's enough. Sorry, sorry. Get back to the bid. Yeah. The inventor kept the low profile. Sorry, sorry. Get back to the vid. Yeah. The inventor kept the low profile. He still does. Salvatore Paez is an aerospace engineer who worked at various secret test bases. When the public learned about the patents, the media wanted to speak to him. He gave no interviews. There are hardly any pictures of him anywhere. He barely exists on paper. Today he works for the United States Space Force. If you find his cell number, let me know, by the way. All his patents ran on one idea, the Paeas effect. Take an object and give it an electric charge. Spin charged matter fast. Spin it fast enough at the right frequency, you warp the space around it. Suddenly, the rules of physics no longer apply. A craft can be invisible or have no mass. Inertia disappears. Gravity bends around the machine instead of pulling it down. This is the same technology Spurenberg described 70 years ago and the same technology King Boja described 1,000 years before that. But Boja wasn't stupid enough to build it. He knew how dangerous mercury was.

22:02He saw what happened to the men who handled it. Tremors, vomiting blood, blindness, insanity. He knew one spilled barrel would poison a city. The Nazis ignored that warning in 1945. NASA learned it the hard way in the 60s. But in 2018, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur decided that a thousand years of wisdom didn't apply to him. They put together a plan to launch thousands of satellites into near-Earth orbit, and they would put 20 metric tons of mercury into the atmosphere. 20 metric tons per year. You wanna know what the Earth looks like after a few years of that? Okay, you asked for it. Class it up with Crocs. You know back to school is coming in fast. So why wait to find your new fave footwear? Step into a local Crocs store and step into your new look. Try it. Style it. Make it yours. Because the right pair doesn't just show up. It shows off. First day fits. Handled. Walk out ready for whatever's next. Visit your nearest Crocs store today.

23:25It starts in your mouth. A taste like old pennies. Your gums smell and bleed. A tooth comes loose, then another, and you can't stop drooling. Then your hands turn pink, bright and swollen like they've been boiled. Skin peels off your thigh in long red strips. Light is unbearable. You sit in the dark. The sun feels like needles in your eyes. Then comes the tremors. Small at first. It's difficult to write. Then you can't hold a cup. You can't hold a spoon. You can't feed yourself. But by then you don't care. You have fits of rage, then fear, then long empty stretches where you can't remember your own children's names. Then you can't remember your own name. You can't remember anything at all. It. Then you can't remember your own name. You can't remember anything at all. It's in the rain, then it's in the wheat, then in every plant on earth. The animals go first. Most die of convulsions or internal bleeding, but some go insane. Dogs attack their owners. Cats intentionally drown themselves. And it's in every tap on earth. You can't boil it out. You can't filter it. And it kills you slowly, mercilessly. By the time you die, you're barely human. And the babies are born already shaking. That's what worldwide mercury poisoning looks like. And it almost happened.

24:44Oh, so this isn't going to happen? No. That's too bad. When you said cats were drowning, I felt so warm inside. Stop that. Vicious hellbeasts. The Minamata Convention banned new mercury mining and phased out existing mines. The US signed it in 2013. Mercury could no longer be used in manufacturing and healthcare. But here's the thing about that treaty. It didn't say anything about space. In 2018, Apollo Fusion Inc. began quietly pitching Mercury engines to satellite manufacturers. Mercury was cheap and efficient. A few pounds of Mercury could power a satellite for a year. Thousands of satellites mean saving billions of dollars. Small problem though, all those engines emit their mercury waste back to Earth. A whistleblower did the math. In 2018 alone, about 4,000 satellites were launched. Just 1,000 satellites would dump around 20 tons of mercury into the upper atmosphere, and that was 20 tons every year. It'd be in the rain, then the oceans, then the entire food chain. Mercury would infect every cell of our bodies. That's three safety tips for you guppies out there. Don't talk to strangers. Don't eat gas station sushi.

26:00Don't touch a T-1000 or Robert Patrick. Somebody out there gets it. In 2022, the UN closed that loophole and banned mercury as satellite fuel. But closing one loophole doesn't close the next. Ban something, and the money just goes looking for the exception. And it always finds one. And whether it's using illegal chemical weapons in Vietnam, or illegal drone strikes on sovereign countries in 2026, nobody's better at war crimes, I mean loopholes, than the USA. meeting creamy Caesar sauce. Sounds extra crispy. Caesar sauce at McDonald's for a limited time. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba. Ancient kings and secret Nazi weapons. This is right up my alley. Love it. But is it true? Well, some of it is. But not all of it. The entire DeGlocka story traces back to one man. Igor Witkowski published claims in 2000. He got a tip from an intelligence contact he called Mr. X. Mr. X let Witkowski read transcripts of Sperenberg's

27:18interrogation. He could look and take notes, but he could not make copies. So it's been 25 years and no one else has seen those documents. Spermberg's actual interrogation transcripts are there. He was a field police commander tried for murdering civilians. There's no bell mentioned in his file. But we don't have to listen to journalists, because why would you? We can listen to the Nazi scientists themselves, literally. At the end of the war, the British rounded up 10 of Germany's top nuclear physicists. They put them in a country house and bugged every room. For six months, scientists talked freely. They argued about why Germany's atomic program failed. They argued about quantum mechanics. They argued about women. The transcripts came out in 1992, hundreds of pages. There's no mention of a bell, no serum 525, no chronos, no red mercury, no flying machines. And these are the men who would know. These were the scientists linked to the Glocka by Igor Wachowski. Those 11 concrete pillars in the forest, well, they make the story feel real because they're there. But it's just a base for an industrial water tower. There are structures like this all over Europe. story feel real because they're there, but it's just a base for an industrial water tower. There are structures like this all over Europe. The DeGlocka story really took off in 2001 when Nick Cook wrote about it in his book, The Hunt for Zero Point. Cook was a respected aerospace journalist.

28:36His book was about advanced propulsion. He was intrigued by the DeGlocka story, but he framed it as part of a pattern of rumors around Nazi wonder weapons. He never said it was true. In 2021, he said the Glocka was probably part of Germany's nuclear program and probably designed for enriching uranium. But that's not the end of the story. Like all good urban legends, there's plenty of truth here. Cambogia was real. He wrote hundreds of books about everything, including engineering. The Samarangara Sutradhara is real. It really does describe mercury and fire lifting a craft into the sky. And he really refuses to finish the instructions. Vamanas were real. Sort of. They were flying chariots or flying palaces used by gods in Hindu literature. Now, were the ancient Indians describing UFOs? That's a different episode. That's the theory. used by gods in Hindu literature. Now, were the ancient Indians describing UFOs? That's a different episode. Yeah, you're naughty. That's the theory. NASA really did power satellites and spacecraft with mercury. They stopped in the 1970s because it was so toxic. That didn't stop a former Google exec from trying to get rich. Salvatore Paes is a real engineer. The patents for anti-gravity and visibility faster than light travel? All real. But Paez has no peer-reviewed evidence. His descriptions are vague and they mix proven science with speculation.

29:54He's been widely criticized by physicists and engineers for those claims. Forbes magazine said his technology is either an Einstein-level breakthrough or government-funded gaslighting. I think you know where I stand on that. What about the disappearance of Hans Kammler? Well, the story is dicey. There are documents putting Kammler in U.S. custody. He was even assigned an interrogator, but the U.S. has never released an official statement. Foyer requests about him are denied, or disappear, or are heavily redacted. American intelligence has plenty of records about Kammler, but most of them are still classified. Now, from my research, I'm pretty sure the Americans had him. Now, whether he died, was murdered, escaped, or given a deal, I don't know. The U.S. is still hiding a lot of information that's 80 years old. Red mercury. That's a myth. But there's a reason real mercury shows up in so many stories. It's fascinating. Mercury is the only metal that's liquid at room temperature. It's heady. It flows like water. It carries electricity. And when you charge it, it glows. It looks like magic. But it's dangerous magic. Boja said he left the instructions out for the sake of secrecy.

31:10For a thousand years, people read that one way. He didn't want anyone to abuse the technology. But Boja wasn't protecting the machine from us. He was protecting us from the machine. And look at what happened every time someone actually built the mercury engine it worked engineers ran mercury through power plants and it was more efficient than steam nasa used it in satellites that ran forever the machine was never the problem the mercury was every one of those projects died the same way not from failure from poison this was the lesson king boja tried to teach us a thousand years ago. Just because you can build something doesn't mean you should. And as long as Mercury and greed exist at the same time, someone's always going to try to conquer Mercury, and a lot of people are going to get hurt. So Mercury or greed, we have to get rid of one of those. But there's really only one we can control. Because mercury, the magical metal that can destroy a civilization, it lasts forever. Thank you so much for hanging out with me today. My name is AJ, that's Echo Fish. You want some sustained stress to Torch Hammer? Call me. You might want to cut back on the peptides, pal.

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36:21I played Philippians and Area 51 A secret code inside the Bible said I was. I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as well as music, so I'm singing it like I should. But then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth, my friends, and it never ends. No, it never ends I fear the crab cat And I got stuck inside Mel's home with MKUltra Being only too aware Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone on a film set? Were the shadow people there? The Roswell aliens just fought the smiling man I'm told and his name was cold And I can't believe I'm dancing with the fishes. And the fish are Thursday nights with AJ too. And the wild boars love to beat all through the night. All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth.

37:39So the wild boars love to beat all through the night. The mothman sightings and the solar storm still come To have got the secret city underground Mysterious number stations, planets are both two Project Stargate and where the Dark Watchers found In a simulation, don't you worry though The Black Knight said a lot, he told me so I can't believe I'm dancing with the fish Had no fish on Thursday nights when they chased you And the wild birds are in the air all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth So the wild birds love to beat all through the night Hedgehog fish on Thursday, next Wednesday, J2

38:54And the wild birds love to beat all through the night All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth So the wild birds love on repeat all through the night Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance on the dance floor Because she is a camel And camels love to dance When the feeling is right on wasting time Gertie loves to dance Gertie loves to dance Yeah! This episode sponsored by She's Birdie. Every woman knows that feeling. And She's Birdie knows it too. The just-in-case feeling. Just in case I hear something. Just in case someone tries the door.

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