Murder, Drugs and Cover-Ups: Military Insider Exposes the Criminal Cartel Within the US Navy SEALs

0:00Matt, thanks for doing this. Thank you, Tucker. You've had a really varied life, I would say, and you have devoted the last several, maybe seven years of it to a man called Job Price and his memory and discovering the truth about how his life ended. Who was he? It's an interesting story. He and I were classmates at Pottstown High School. We graduated together in 1989, but we weren't friends. Outside Philadelphia. Yes, outside of Philadelphia. And we knew each other in the same classes, but we didn't socialize outside of school. But he was the bar, right? Academically, athletically, he was the bar everybody was trying to reach he was brilliant he was a three sport star in school and he was just he was for me

0:56personally he was my my academic rival and i we both were on the i at one point in time i was on the the track to go to a military academy. And he ended up going to the Air Force Academy. Graduated from there and then transferred his commission to the Navy because he wanted to be a Navy SEAL. But he was kind of a goofy guy. He wasn't tough. He didn't have a hard edge to him. Kind of Boy Scout-ish. Yes. But everybody was drawn to him he just had that kind of personality and so going navy seal was actually not anything i would have had in my bingo card he didn't that wasn't his tough like you would think navy seal there would be a whole lot more harder edge personality. And he just, he wasn't that, but boy, did he make a good career out of it.

1:47So he graduates Air Force Academy. What happens to his life after that? He transfers his commission to the Navy, which I didn't even know you could do. Goes to BUDS, which is the first thing you have to do when you go to become a Navy SEAL. And he spent 19 and a half years before he died and was six months away from his pension. And by all accounts, was on the Admiral track. He was supposed to go to school up in Rhode Island in June of 2013, because that's, I guess, a prerequisite for what... Naval War College. Yep. So he excelled at every level, which is not surprising. But, you know, and I'm learning all this over the last seven years, but in the SEALs, you don't, if you're an officer, you have to fill certain billets, certain roles on your trajectory upward.

2:44So, there's certain boxes you got to check. You serve in this role, you serve in that role. And then they want you, if you're going to become an admiral, you have to run a team. So he became the commander of SEAL Team 4, which is one of the East Coast Virginia Beach SEAL teams. The even numbers are East Coast. The odds are West. And right after he got command they got deployed to afghanistan in 2012 um and then he died december 22nd 2012 in afghanistan after how many months in the country i believe they got there in september so three months roughly so tell us the, did he have a family, by the way? Yes. He had a daughter who was nine, and his wife, he loved his wife and his child very much.

3:36And this was, he died three days before Christmas. So give us the Wikipedia version of how he died. What's the official version? The official version is suicide. They say that the deployment was in the middle of the war, of the GWAT era, 2012 was smack dab in the middle. And he had a couple guys get killed, SEALs, and then a couple Army guys get killed, all separate incidents. But he struggled a little bit with that. And they said he was depressed. And, you know, I've been depressed. And we're sitting here talking. I didn't kill myself. So there's not a direct link between depression and suicide. But he was found in his bunk with a gunshot wound to his head and a gun still in his hand. And, you know, to a layman, that may look like suicide.

4:32Yep. And for a lot of years, that's just what it was. How many deployments did he have? I want to say 14 total, but not all to war zones. But deployments have a, they do a mission, but it's not necessarily a wartime mission. They'll do a porting of commercial vessel that the pirates are on or whatever. But he had done one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, but this was his first command level deployment. So they just said he was depressed and decided to take his life. How old was he? 42. Career naval officer, commander SEAL Team 4, kills himself. Is that a common profile? It's never happened. Right. So the guys that kill themselves in the military is like some PFC drunk. I mean, there's a lot of suicide in the military, obviously.

5:28Not many in theater, though. And of command level officers. Zero. Right. In the entire GWAT era. He would have been the only one. And that's, you know, when I heard it was suicide, again, I wasn't, I didn't have an emotional connection to Joe. We weren't tight. Yeah. So it was sad, obviously, but I didn't have this visceral response. Right. That I felt like I needed to mourn or anything like that. It just was what it was, and I went on with my life until 2019 when this happened. Did you have a psychiatric history? None. Zero. Zero. There was no notes. there was no conversations there was no forewarnings of any type that he had any inclination to kill himself was he intoxicated when he died no he had um and this is he was a vehemently was against medicines. Yeah. Like he just didn't like taking medicines.

6:25But apparently he was on Valium, Benadryl, and Tramadol. That was in his system. Totally not normal for him. And only one of them was actually on the books prescribed. So we don't know where the other... Which was prescribed. The Valium, because he wasn't sleeping. Yep. Low dose, very low dose Valium. You know, and over there, it's not like good with CVS here. I mean, there's... Right. But there is a tracking mechanism to who gets issued what for what. But I'm sure there is moments where that's not recorded, but Job would not want it not recorded. Like that's not his, he's the commander. It's, he does, he sets the tone. He's, he's the guy that follows all the rules. And so I just, I'm not a hundred percent sure if those were prescribed to him or not.

7:25Why was his name Job? I didn't ask his dad this, but knowing his dad, he died two years ago, unfortunately. But I got to really know him. He was a great man. And knowing their faith and knowing the family nature of their family. It's just Job, his sister, and mom and dad. He was named after the biblical character Job. We exhibit if you knew Job and you read the story of Job, you'd be like, that's that guy. Really? Yeah. Patient. Yeah. Faithful. Yes. Quite a name. So nobody wants to feel tired and foggy. You got low energy that hurts your career, your health, your marriage. Joy and Blokes is one of the best ways to make sure you stay totally alert on top of your game. The message to men is simple.

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11:58I wrote a book about my brother because I wanted my brother's name to be remembered forever. And I wanted her to have that ability to have something that she could have than a recording of her telling her brother's story. And she said to me, can we meet with my dad first? I'm like, okay. So I go over there and he hands me a three ring binder with 356 pages of military reports and says, this is Job's death book. And I don't think he committed suicide. I said, okay. And he goes, well, you take a look at it. I was still a cop at the time. And I said, certainly. And I said, but I need to be real honest with you. If I think it's suicide, I'm going to tell you it's suicide. He goes, that's fair enough. I just want somebody

12:42that I trust to look at it. So I looked at it for about a week. It's pretty common, as you know, as a cop to hear from surviving family members of someone who commits suicide. I don't think it's a suicide. Right. Oh, everybody. That's a... Yeah, I've heard it a million times. So I review it for about a week. And what I realized was, is that basically the book, the death book, was like a puzzle. The box on the cover has a picture. And the pages in between were supposed to make me believe that Job killed himself. And what I got was a thousand-piece puzzle set with 250 pieces. So I couldn't create the picture that Job killed himself. So I told his dad, I said, I can't say suicide based on the information that's in this book.

13:30I would need to dig more. And he goes, do you mind doing that? I said, no, I don't. He goes, do you want me to pay you? I said, I don't sell hope. I said, so I don't need any money. I'll just do this. And at the time, I wasn't expecting seven years of my life devoted to it, but I thought I was just going to do a little digging and search the internet and find some information. Thankfully, we don't have a clear picture of the path before us. Yes. It would have been a hard stop, probably. I'm not going to lie. So, yeah, it just began this journey for truth into finding out what happened to Job. And the more I got exposed to sources and, you know, there's a, there's a group of people that have been investigating Navy SEAL corruption

14:13from former members of the community, intelligence agencies, federal and state law enforcement that are all in this little network of people that have been doing this for three decades, since Marcinko, who was creator of SEAL Team 6, famed SEAL, dirty as the day is long. But once I got into that network, I was exposed to them. I got exposed to everything. I don't want to sidetrack you, but can you just give us the Marcinko overview, the Wikipedia version? Yeah, he was, you know, creator of SEAL Team Six, which is development group. Yep. The elite tier one element of Navy SEALs. And he created the brand of the Navy SEALs. He wrote books. I read, I can't remember, i know i've never read any of his

15:06books to be honest with you but they're they're all how do you make a seal look good 101 and uh but he was i mean he was in the epstein files um well known that he was running drugs and and women with quarter cartels which is a common theme tune with special operations guys going down and whether it's guns for hire or whatever, but training cartels and tactics and techniques and procedures, which you would think is probably counterproductive to the sovereignty of our country, but who am I to judge? But Dick Marcinko was the creator of the Navy SEAL brand. And you believe it's been established that he was corrupt in a deep way? Very much so. And again, I'm not a firsthand witness to any of that.

16:08But having spoken to people who were, it's very clear that he was the godfather of all of it he had he had a very deep and influential control over a lot of pieces of the navy seal brand and then also our government like he had he was just very very wily and conniving and smart he's gone he passed a couple years ago yeah but up until his death he was still very much an integral part of, like, things didn't happen without his blessing. So, interesting. Yeah. I think most people are totally unaware of that. Yeah. It's, listen, I wish I was unaware of it. So, you basically got pulled into this story because the father of your classmate asked you to take a closer look at what happened. Yeah. And once I reviewed it and told him I'd start digging, I said, here's what I can promise you.

16:55I said, I'll find the answer. I said, and I won't stop until I do. With that said, what do you think now, having spent seven years looking at this, what do you think happened to Job Price? I know 100% certainty he did not kill himself. The one thing, and once we get to the actual details of the crime, you'll see it clearly, but forensics, there's certain things you can do to make a scene look a certain way and still screw it up. And Job's body was staged. Nobody heard a gunshot in an occupied building. Overnight, where there was an operations center that was 24-7 right on the other side of the wall of his bedroom in a war zone. Nobody heard a gunshot. The gun Job was holding was not suppressed.

17:50It was unable to be suppressed. Didn't have a threaded barrel. It was a Sig 226. Nine millimeter. And he was shot in the same position that he slept in every night. He was naked, which is how he slept, on his left side with a pillow in the crook of his left arm. And that's how he was shot. And I've been on a lot of suicides in my career. And it's not all, but I will tell you that a vast majority of suicides have some, it's either immediately reactionary, where like you walk in on your wife having an affair, and you go out and kill yourself. But most of the time, it's, if there's a pre-planning involved, you wouldn't pre-plan it to do it while you're sleeping. Just doesn't, the scene didn't make sense. And that was the first thing that stuck out to me when

18:46i saw the crime scene photos but it just didn't make sense and he was found he was shot on his left side so he shot from the right to the left uh downward in a 45 degree angle but he was found laying on his back with the gun still in his hand across his chest and his head facing to the right which is the opposite of the direction his head was in when he was shot. That to me, I couldn't figure out, like, just physics, how his body could have gotten there. And then there was just missing pieces. There was no ballistics reports in the documents that I was given by the father, and no gunshot residue testing lab results, no DNA trace evidence, you evidence, blood, skin, hair testing done. At least I didn't have the reports for it. And that took me almost four years to get

19:35because you just keep getting kicked down the lane when you do FOIAs. And if you're not playing the exact right department of the exact right agency, you're not going to get the answer you're looking for. So finally, I was able to get those reports, and those reports told me that Job didn't kill himself. And there was no gunshot residue testing done on his hands, which is the only place you really need to do GSR testing on is to prove whether somebody shot a gun or not. There was no proof that Job fired a gun, which is vital to concluding either someone did or did not kill themselves. There was no testing done for, not to get graphic, but when you commit suicide with a contact wound, there's going to be a reverse explosion

20:24coming outward. Blood, hair, skin, brain, bone is going to come back because of the gases. As they hit a solid contact, it just spreads out. And then the impact and the velocity of the bullet, it just creates blood and everything coming back at you. So there was very little blood on Job, on his hand, his right hand. And the gun was never tested for any of those trace evidence things. So for me, that's a, why wouldn't you test it? How would you not want to know that that was the gun? And then the ballistics, only thing the ballistics showed was the gun, the bullet and the casing that was found came from that gun. But there was no proof that that gun was ever used in that room. They had these, in order to keep people from having accidental negligent discharges, they had like a place where you can pull your trigger and make sure your gun's cleared so you're not going into the building with a loaded weapon.

21:26Very easily, you could empty that, take that gun, fire it in there, retrieve the bullet, retrieve the casing and the gun and put it in the room. And yes, they go together, but doesn't mean they were ever used in the commission of any type of violent act. And so those were things that really started to shape things up for me. But it wasn't until, you know, let me back up real quick. One thing, and this will just astound you. And listen, I understand NCIS on TV is not NCIS in real life. When Job was found dead at 9.30-ish in the morning by the same guy that found him, last saw him alive, and everybody, you know, you got all the other command staff people and they all agreed Job was dead, brought in the NCIS agent who just happened to be in the building and the doc to pronounce him dead.

22:21Typically in law enforcement, if you have a crime scene, because at this point when you find somebody dead, it's a crime scene until it's proven not to be a crime. Right. They all agree he's dead. They leave. The NCIS agent locks the door and gives the key to the guy that found him dead, who was a SEAL, and said, don't let anybody in this room. We'll be back with more guys. And nine hours later, NCIS came back. So for nine hours, Job's body laid there in his bed, in his room, with all of the suspects having access to that room. And in law enforcement, once it's a crime scene, it's your crime scene. There's no relinquishing it to non-law enforcement. Until properly relieved, it's a crime scene, it's your crime scene. There's no relinquishing it to non-law enforcement.

23:06Until properly relieved, that's a crime scene. The law enforcement must be in control of it at all times or else any evidence that would come from it. If a crime had occurred, you wouldn't be able to prove anything because it would all be fruit of the poisonous tree. You couldn't use it. There was no crime scene integrity, chain of custody of evidence. Like you just couldn't, nothing could ever be proven, which was their greatest, knowing now that it was a homicide, the greatest thing they did was create a scenario where evidence could never point to them. So imagine being president, knowing that anything you do could determine the fate of the world. That's exactly the situation that Reagan faced at the height of the Cold War.

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26:33and the NCIS agent forgot to put a bloody bed sheet with his belongings that go into the body bag so it can all get tested when it goes back to Dover for the medical examiner. And when he walked in, they were washing Job's entire body from head to tail. They took the bags off his hands, scrubbed his hands, washed every part of his body, literally all evidence down the drain. Who was they? The medical people at the direction of Jeff Peeler. And Jeff's excuse was he wanted Job to have a dignified return flight home. The problem is they put the evidence bags, new evidence bags, back on his hands, which is a deceitful thing. If you remove evidence bags, wash them in sand and put new evidence bags on,

27:20you want whoever is going to be receiving that body to think that they've been not touched. Right. That's the assumption that the evidence bag sealed present. So all those things, and I knew a lot of those things early on, minus the reports that I didn't have, which were the big red flags. Nine hours of unsecured crime scene is a big problem for me as a police officer. But in 2024, I started to get some traction on some podcasts. And people were knowing more about Job. And, you know, I would talk about a lot of things, but always Job was the focus of the episodes that I was on. And forensic people who follow these, more the vet bro podcast world, started to reach out to me and ask if I'd let them take a look at everything I had.

28:21Once I vetted who they were, I had no problem doing that. The more eyes, the better. I'm not a forensics guy. I'm just a cop. And I had five, four forensic investigators. So guys that actually work crime scenes. And then a forensic, let me get his title exactly right. Forensics, criminology. He's a forensic science and PhD in criminology. He's a forensic science and PhD in criminology. His name is Brent Turvey who was recently on the Idaho four college kids that were murdered. So he worked for the defense on that as their forensic expert. One of their forensic experts. But anyways, he reviewed it too. And every single one of their forensic experts. But anyways, he reviewed it too. And every single one of them, the four investigators and the doctor guy,

29:18all concluded that it was murder. So, all of the things that I knew as my gut wise, just from experience, I knew now that I hadn't been convincing myself of something that wasn't true. Now I know that it's true. And then I've spent the last two years trying to get the United States government to care and reopen the case. I've had Congress people write letters to the Navy and the Navy keeps coming back. We're satisfied with our investigation. If he wants to send in any information, he can send it through the tip line, which I'm sure quickly will be responded to. Yeah, the unmonitored tip line. Okay, so what you're describing, if true, would be a fairly complex operation, and so it would require motive, I would think.

30:03Like, why go to the trouble to murder a man and cover it up and take the risk and all of that without a real reason? And what would the reason be, do you think? Well, it's evolved. Initially, I was looking at it from a individual moment perspective, like this happened, which caused this. This happened, which caused that. There were multiple things that happened on that deployment that could have played a role in someone or some group of people wanting to hurt Job. When Job, before he deployed as the commander of SEAL Team 4, he went to the same area to, because SEAL Team 2 was the team they relieved. And he was there just sort of getting the lay of the land, meeting with their commander, knowing the locals, meeting the police chief, the guy in charge of the province, who's a terrorist,

30:59and just getting to understand what's going on. And at this time, in June of 2012, there was an Afghan detainee that was killed by four SEALs. While detained? to look over the evidence and make his recommendation, not official, but the commander of SEAL Team Two wanted his input, and Jobe recommended court martial for all of them. And during this same period of time, the Taliban, there was intercept signal, intercept chatter of them talking about wanting to get retribution against the SEALs for what they did to one of their villagers. Now, why was he killed, the detainee? They thought, well, they said that he was a suspect in a bomb going off. Yeah. But it wasn't. He wasn't the person. They ended up letting him go, and he died two hours after they let him go back in his village.

32:00From his injuries. From his injuries yeah so fast forward to november when job is now commander seal team four and they've already relieved seal team two and they moved the ford operating base from where it was to about 60 kilometers away but still within the the operating area of the local taliban and one of his guys was killed in an ambush. And that was the retribution for what happened with their villager, with SEAL Team 2. And Job was unaware of this signals intelligence that was intercepted, that there was a potential for that type of event to happen. And also at this period of time, you know, it's 2012, winning hearts and minds was important for many reasons, some not valid. And village stability operations were happening all the time and they're trying to help these villagers and get them sustaining themselves and interfacing with the local mullahs and things of that nature. Well, Job had to deal with this guy named Matula Khan,

33:11who was the local police chief in the Erskine province, very powerful man, former drug smuggler and human trafficker before he became the police chief, quote unquote. And one of the things that Job really struggled with was having to deal with this guy because he knew that there was underage kids being trafficked and that drugs, you know, this is, I think you had John Kiriakou on. Yep. Talking about the poppy fields and how the CIA paid, you know, farmers in Afghanistan to not grow crops and grow poppies. And by 2012, 93% of the heroin in the world was coming out of the poppy fields of Afghanistan. And it's a very well-known fact that the SEALs, part of their responsibility was to protect those poppy fields.

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35:36Yeah, I'm seeing it in our own country. We're being neutered by drugs on purpose. And I think, you know, whether it was intended for Americans to be neutered or the enemy in Russia or China or wherever that they were planning on having that, wherever that was going, the 93% was going around the world. It wasn't just coming to America. So there probably is some... Yeah. So it's probably that simple. If you seek to dominate people, get them on drugs. Yeah. I mean, that's the, you know, if you see a red car, it's a red car, right? So for me, Atkins Razor, I guess that's called. I think that's right. So Job struggled with that. And I think ultimately the thing that got him killed, while there was an incident where one of the guys in his unit had raped an Afghani teen. And another guy who was a former SEAL Team 6 guy

36:28who rolled in from SEAL Team 2, was attached to two, and then got given to Job as well, was stealing ASOT money, which is the CIA money that special operations would get, and they were using it to pay off people. For the tribal leaders, yeah. The famous pallets of $100 bills. But back to something you just said, one of his men, one of his SEALs in SEAL Team 4 raped an Afghan girl, I assume. Yeah. Was he court-martialed for this? No. So Job was struggling with a lot of things. Like a lot of things had to be dealt with. Three days before he died, he talked with his wife and he said, she asked how he was doing. He said, yeah, there's a lot of things happening that I'm going to have to deal with when I get back.

37:13And she knew she's the wife of a SEALs, um, Tim Szymanski, who was the Admiral, um, and two other, uh, high level people within group two came to Afghanistan and met with Job. For like a very short trip. And I have witness statements stating that there was a heated argument between Tim Szymanski and Job a few days, 10 days, two weeks before his death. If I had to, I don't have specific proof of this, but if I had to guess what that conversation was about, it was about Job wanting to report everything that happened. From the rape to the stolen money to the mullah trafficking drugs and kids and the poppy fields. And I think he was told, because he was, like I said earlier, he was on the admiral tract.

38:26And I think they said, if you want to have a career, you're just going to keep your mouth shut and you're going to get your next gig after you're done being the commander of SEAL Team 4 and you'll go to college in June and you'll become an admiral. So big picture, what we're seeing is 11 years into the Afghan war, order and discipline are starting to break down. People are getting cynical. You know, it's just like what happens if a war goes on long enough. It's not really about what it started in response to. And that's, you know, I am not critical. Like, I understand war. I understand the mechanics of it. Yep. And I'm not necessarily criticizing the SEALs for doing their jobs in battle. Like, you may go over the line a couple times.

39:11You may cross. But after 11 years, things are likely to fall apart. Yeah. And I think you send people out enough times to do animal stuff, they become animals. Boy, that's the truest thing ever said. I think that's having the luxury of being exposed to many events that have occurred over the last 20 years within the SEAL community. That's the most logical cause and effect. But then there's a sinister side to it where there is a mafia level hierarchy within the Navy SEALs on the corrupt side that will use guys. I had a SEAL Team 6 guy, bare soul to me, telling me about how on ops, they were told to kill everybody. Women, children, everybody on a target they were at. And after they did that, they were then asked to do things like

40:08take this to this person, this mulos. And when they say they don't want to do that unless they know what they're taking, they're like, well, then you're going to be written up as a, you're going to be court-martialed as a war criminal for killing all those people because you did that on your own, even though it was a direct order from the higher-ups. So they use all of those little mechanisms of manipulation and keeping a thumb on guys. It's an initiation, right? Very much so. And they target certain personalities within their teams, especially in SEAL Team 6. What does that mean? So, we talked about this at breakfast that, you know, there was, in the 80s, the people they were recruiting to be Navy SEALs

40:51when there was no war going on were more of the military-bearing, rule-following, traditional leader-type person. Once the GWAT started, they were recruiting, you know, the high school wrestler with an anger issue, maybe got in some trouble with law and has no dad. That was the profile they started to recruit because they knew that those guys were looking for something to belong to. They were looking for something with a greater purpose that allowed them to use their anger and their rage in a legal, quote unquote, legal productive way. And that's- They started recruiting emotionally stunted guys. Yes, very much so. Yeah, it really shows, I must say. Wow. So, Tim Szymanski, Admiral, commanding SEAL Team 2,

41:42is that- No, he was Group 2. He was the overall boss at that time. Who is he exactly? He is an acolyte of Dick Marcinko. I've never met the man, but his reputation precedes him. And everything I've been told about him from the community in which I'm now part of in this seal corruption exposure group of people, is that he's the queen bee. He's the one that runs the show. He's the one that creates the brand while seals and then after they're done being seals. There's plenty of vertical markets that the seals are in that make a lot of money. And just like a multi-level marketing scheme, money gets kicked up the chain, kind of like the mob. And from what I'm told, allegedly Tim Szymanski is the leader of that.

42:46And there's enough- Is he a civilian at this point? Yeah, he's retired. Retired admiral. And again, I only care about Job. But in order for people to care about Job other than me, I had to be exposed to all the other stuff because there was nobody front-facing their work. It was all behind the scenes. It was all surreptitiously investigated because these guys, a lot of these SEALs don't want to go against the brand. Yeah. They don't want to come out and, you know, it pisses me off because I'm out here, Joe, small town cop from Potsdam, Pennsylvania, taking the arrows, doing the heavy lifting. Yeah. And, you know, I would love them to come out and defend and fight for the community that they love

43:40and their country that they love. But they needed me to be the face and the voice for the things that they were investigating. So I had opportunity to interview Rob O'Neill for six hours. And that interview, which was on the Jay Slay USA podcast, great podcast, by the way, you'd love him. Jeremy Slayton, former AAA baseball player in the Phillies organization. That interview, those six hours of interviews, because we did the Bin Laden raid interview, and then we talked about Job. We talked about Extortion 17. We talked about Marks Luttrell with Lone Survivor. And actually, Rob admitted that he believed that Job's death was a cover-up and that it wasn't suicide. And I give him credit for saying that because Rob, while he has faults

44:32and while many people don't believe that he's the one that shot Bin Laden first, which, you know, everybody I've talked to leads me to believe that's true. But I wasn't there, so I don't really know who did what. But to his credit, he isn't afraid to say things about other things within his community, which I do appreciate. We may not agree on the Bin Laden thing, but I do appreciate him being honest during those interviews. And those interviews are what created the opportunity for me to expand myself on podcasts and to get Job's name out more and to get those forensics people to reach out to me. You know, Dr. Turvey, you know, he wrote his, he has a bunch of points that he wrote when he reviewed the case. You know, Job's body was moved twice after he was dead.

45:24There are three distinct dried blood flow patterns on his head which can't happen in an instantaneous death you know the bullet enters the brain it's lights out immediately you can't move two more times the casing was found under job's butt his tailbone area impossible to have happened in the position in which he was shot. The bullet wound up in the upper left corner by the head of the bed. If you're standing at the foot of the bed, upper left corner, where under his bed were pelican boxes. And the only place that didn't have a pelican box was the upper left corner. And the blood from Job's head had pulled under there and the bullet was found in that pool of blood um they didn't test that bullet for anything other

46:14than the dna of the blood there was no testing for brain blood brain skin skull fragments nothing um bull was intact it was it was you know crushed down but it was intact enough to know that it was a nine millimeter ball ammo that they were issued um but the the one thing that's very i don't have an answer to but it i kind of do have an answer to, is that during his autopsy, there's photos of his head where there is a distinct semicircle, the same diameter as the face of a suppressor. And in 2002, I was introduced to Pete Hegseth, and he was still at Fox at the time, and asked him for help, helped get exposure, introduced me to people. We even talked about you. And I said, anything you can do to help me.

47:11And so I sent him everything I had at the time. And he reviewed it and he agreed. I have text messages that I released to the Washington Post for the article that was written in June on the front page. Where he says that there's no way anybody would commit suicide in the position that he was found in and that it was clearly a suppressor was used to kill him. Well, Job's gun was unsuppressed. So we have a problem. How do we justify a suicide when there's potential evidence of a different gun being used to kill him, which means it's a homicide. On top of the forensics, that alone is a huge issue for me trying to figure out, you know, we need somebody to come up with an answer for that because that's just not, you can't just let that be. And, you know,

47:57nobody heard a gunshot, which would be why nobody heard a gunshot, right? Could have been a pillow and a suppressor. It could have been many things that muted the sound of that gun going off. So for me, the forensics were what I needed to validate me, that what I had done for the last five, six years before I got those findings were true, that I wasn't on a ghost chasing mission. And it gave me the peace of mind to know that I didn't have to go out anymore and convince people that Job was murdered. I know Job was murdered. And I know he was murdered by, I can't say, I am 99% sure he was killed by people that had access to that building. Do I know if it was SEALs? No. But I do know that Jeff Peeler, the command master chief, who's the top enlisted guy,

48:53who found him and then ordered his body washed and had control over the crime scene. Actually, on Clayton Morris' show and redacted, I named Jeff Peeler as the one who orchestrated the cover-up of Job's death. And 10 days later, he was found dead of a heart attack. Peeler was? Mm-hmm. At what age? 62, maybe, something like that. By all accounts, great shape. And again, I'm not insinuating anything happened to him. It's just very odd timing that I named him publicly on a rather large platform that he's found dead 10 days later. So it's three in the afternoon, you've had your coffee, but you're still staring blankly at your screen, rereading the same line, waiting for energy because you're just enervated. It's

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51:21He's interfaces with the command level guys every day and protect the integrity of the brand. So sketch it out for us without, don't name names if you don't care to since you can't prove it, but what do you believe happened? Like the people who did kill him, were they command level people? Who do you believe they were so i believe the guy that the seal team sex guy that stole the money because job confronted him two days before he died and told him that money had to be returned um i believe he was involved i believe there were a couple guys that um were involved in that raping of the child, the teen. I think there's guys that hated Job because two of their buddies died. I think there was the active people in the murder

52:17was a small number of people. The conspiracy to cover it up was a large group of people. And, you know, honestly, I believe, how do I say this without getting myself sued or killed? I believe that another entity is the one that actually executed Job, actually execute a job, a non-military government entity. Hmm. Because of the poppy field heroin thing. Yep. Would be if I had- Another government agency that works with the SEAL team. SEALs closely, yes. And I believe the SEAL Team Six guys- An entity that a lot of SEALs go to work for when they leave the Navy. After they leave, yes. Yeah. And I don't have, you know, again, they wash- You're talking about the Department of Transportation. Yeah, FAA.

53:19FAA, so good. The Forgotten About Agency. That's what we used to call it when I was an air marshal, which was nice because nobody paid attention to you, but then they created Homeland Security and ruined everything. But I digress. I think there is definitely a thread to pull there that I don't want to pull. I really only want Job's case to be changed from suicide to something not suicide. Because if you think about when Job died, he had a million-dollar life insurance policy that he had gotten on his own. The military gives, they have a $400,000 death benefit. If you die in combat, that automatically gets paid to the family. But he had a million-dollar life insurance policy plus his six months from getting his pension,

54:12plus any promotions he would have gotten to adm and whatever that pay would have been, because that's what his pension would have been based off of. So we're looking at $3 million. minimum in benefits that his wife and daughter didn't get. Of course, because none of that is triggered by suicide. Correct. You get none of those things when you commit suicide. Oh, wow. Okay. So it's a meaningful designation, like practically speaking. Yes. And there's nothing they can do about the life insurance policy because it's already expired, but the government should stroke a check for all of that to make her whole and then do a computer keystroke change and go from suicide to undetermined. I know I'm never going to get homicide.

54:51I know that. Well, let's test your theory. So you've described a number of crimes already. You described the murder of a detainee, beaten to death, tortured to death. You've described the rape of a local teenage girl. And you've described the theft of U.S. government funds meant for tribal chiefs. Were any of those investigated and resulted in court-martials? Zero. Okay. And nobody was even investigated for destroying evidence and tampering with evidence. There was absolutely zero accountability for anything that happened on that deployment. But you're pretty confident that those other three crimes you described, the rape, the killing of the detainee, and the theft of those funds, those happened?

55:36A hundred percent. And no one was ever held accountable in any way? Nobody. And the ones that killed the detainee did get court-martialed and were sentenced to jail ended up having all their charges dropped later on. Why? And all got promoted. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You fail forward in the Navy SEALs. Wait. They were court-martialed convicted and then overturned. And then they got promoted? Yes,ALs. Wait, they were court-martialed, convicted. And then overturned. And then they got promoted? Yes, they did. Is that normal? Not in my world, it's not. But apparently in that world, it is. You know, the Navy is renowned. When there's a screw-up, so you look at Lone Survivor, right? Mark Slatero. It's very well known now that that is not how things actually went.

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58:29they were being asked to do. They were sub guys, like underwater diving guys, UDT guys. And they weren't Delta forces to land guys, right? They're the ones doing recce type stuff and going on high-value targets in mountains and things of that nature. And the SEALs from, and we'll talk about John Chapman and Roberts Ridge here as well if we have time. From 2002, when that happened with John Chapman, all the way until the end of the war, the SEALs were taking over the special operations mission tempo. They were doing things that they were not equipped to do training-wise. That's just not what their job was. But then they were doing a lot of urban assaults and not necessarily hitting high-value target houses

59:19like you would think they should be doing just doing basic marine corps infantry grunt work they were doing because they wanted to have um i don't want to say that they wanted it the thrill to kill but you know there is you don't go into the seals and not have a desire to put a feather in your cap. And everybody wants to get that first kill. And then once you realize you can get that first kill and there's no judge or jury or anybody oversight, you know, anything could be a weapon. I thought he was picking up a water jug. I thought it was an IED. I killed him. Oh, it was a water jug. You know, things of that nature were happening all the time. And guys were able to get away with things that typically would be considered a war crime because of the environment, which dictated, you know, there was a lot of non and a lot of freedom of action to the everyday SEAL.

1:00:26And then the cover was created by the command. And, you know, Marcus's team was ill-equipped for the job that they were going to do. And it's not their fault. They were sent out on that job. They're not the ones that picked the mission. But, you know, what happened there was a complete breakdown of they didn't know what they were doing up there. And that's, you know, that's not their fault. They were sent out to do something that they weren't trained to do. And, you know, just recently there was a couple of guys, Chambers and Ingram, who were trying to board a ship off the coast of Somalia and they drowned. And it turns out that they didn't have the proper pre-deployment training. They didn't do the buoyancy testing on their gear

1:01:15and they had way too much gear on and they sank. But that was covered up by the government. And this just happened? Yeah, well, then last year or two, I think it was. The patterns, as a SIGINT analyst, my job was to decode things and patterns are very important. And when you sit back and look at all the patterns that have been going on since 2002 until the end of the war and how the same key people, granted the SEAL teams are small numbers wise, comparatively speaking to the overall military, but how people who are involved in complete and utter failure missions fail forward. You know, if you screw up, you get medals, and then you get promoted. Because why would anybody give a medal or promote somebody who's a screw-up?

1:02:10Of course. Well, they're the face of the entire empire, actually, at this point. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Right. So it's not, there's no real benefit to the us government or the people benefiting from these wars to holding anyone in the seal teams accountable because again they're the brand not just of the navy but of like the entire united states government abroad and that and that was a uh an intentional power grab and And once they got it, they didn't really shit. You know, John Chapman with Robert's Ridge. So we'll talk about that because it'll give a lot of perspective as to how the next 18 years would go. So I want to get to that, but before we do, I want to go back to something you said a while ago.

1:02:58You said that there are all kinds of business verticals that the SEAL teams benefit from. What does that mean? Some are legal, some are illegal. I have sources who have told me that a lot of drugs, they thought money was to buy drugs, and they were getting shipped back in military cargo. To the United States. To the United States, and then sold on the open market at, you know, a 350% profit, right? Because they didn't spend any of their own money. They used the taxpayer dollar from that ASAP money and bought drugs and had it shipped back and then had that, those drugs were sold to, you know, MS-13 and other gangs to distribute on the streets. Do you believe that happened? 100%. Everyone, I mean,

1:03:39it's hard to think of a more. Do you believe that happened? 100%. Everyone, I mean, it's hard to think of a more appalling crime than that. A greater betrayal of our country than our own military importing drugs into our nation to kill our kids. I mean, I can't think of anything worse than that. I really... Greed and power. I'll give you another... Like, you really believe that happened? 100%. 100%. Why do you think that? Because that's the, you know, at the. Have you spoken to people who saw it? Yes. I'd spoken to people who didn't participate, but were in the circles of knowledge. And were present when that was happening. Present in the shipping to the states of knowledge. And were present when that was happening.

1:04:24Present in the shipping to the states, yes. Gee whiz. So there's a guy named Staff Sergeant Melgar, who was a special forces guy, who was killed by two SEAL Team 6 guys and two Marine Raiders in Mali in 2018. And he had caught the SEAL Team 6 guys stealing ASAP money and buying drugs and diamonds in Mali. And they killed him. And they said it was, they were roughhousing and MMA, but they actually, they broke his hiatal bone. And then they did a trach on him after he died to try to make it look like they were trying to save his life, but they were just trying to cover up the fact they broke that bone in his neck. So it's not, Job isn't new. Did they get away with it? They did and they didn't.

1:05:16They went to jail, but then their sentences were reduced. And they got promoted too, oddly enough. When they got out of jail? While they were in jail, one got promoted. Okay. Well, that's, I've never heard this, but you're describing an organization that's completely out of control. Very much so. Because they killed an American? Yeah, another soldier. Yes. So Job was 2012. That was 2018. And I don't know how many other instances. I have on very, very good authority from many sources that they're called strap hangers so the seals would look at anybody that was attached to them that would be going out on missions with them whether it's a cct a combat controller from the air force or pj or tac p or special forces guys if somebody was

1:06:14was going to upset the brand of the navy seals they were going to rat them out for doing whatever it is they were doing illegally, they would kill them on and off. That was commonplace. That there was a lot of guys who died who were not killed by enemy fire, were killed by their own men. And that because it's war, and because there is no forensics taken on bullets and trajectories and things of that nature, nobody looks into it. It's just, yes, he got killed by a rifle round and he's dead. And he was a hero because he was at war when in reality, very many times, it was at the hands of their own men. And that is the part that haunts me at night, is knowing that there is a group of people who are supposed to be the good guys, right?

1:07:12We're the good guys. We're supposed to be the good guys. We set the standard. We don't stoop to the level of barbarianism like our enemy does. We're supposed to keep a standard. And the fact that that's not what's happening is very, very disheartening to me as a veteran. I was in the Army for four years and cop for 30 years, and I bleed red, white, and blue, and I'm as conservative as the day is long. And it haunts me to think that that's what— Does it shock you, though? I mean, you spend 20 years prosecuting a totally pointless war. Like, no one in charge from the president on down could ever articulate what the point of the Afghan occupation was. Like, no one could ever explain the strategy or tactics, but like, what's the point? normal, decent Americans and you put them in a world where killing is kind of what you do and

1:08:01there's no oversight at all and there's no purpose or meaning or kind of redemptive mission, of course, people are going to become evil, right? Yeah. And it's going to corrupt us. And you don't want to look behind that curtain, right? Because it's uncomfortable. And as an American, if I didn't have access to the information I had, I would just be as dumb and blind as everyone else. Like, that's not paying attention at any depth of level. Well, it's by design, because the media on a bipartisan basis, left-wing NBC, right-wing Fox News, both of them promote the military as the best thing this country has. The only really noble institution in the nation is our military. The only thing you can't, you can criticize everybody else.

1:08:45You can't criticize the military. And that's, yes. And it's, I mean. Why is that? You would think like, you used to say when I was at Fox, they would always say the left hates the military. Well, I don't notice that that i noticed the left promoting military actually have you noticed that yeah i mean it's i don't think there is a left and right anymore well obviously yeah i think it's all one one big thing and and they just you know for theater pick their their side for the topic of the day um i i guess because I spent 34 years of my life serving and protecting in some capacity and doing it with honor and, you know, there isn't anybody that can question my career and what I've done. And I just wish that, you know, that's the way it would be with everybody.

1:09:42But then, I'm an older guy, I'm your age, and I was in the Persian Gulf War. And there wasn't many wars going on growing up in the 70s and 80s after Vietnam. So, there wasn't, I didn't have an exposure. The military was, you went and served so that, whether it was to get college money or to learn a trade or whatever, you weren't going to fight a 20-year war. I've been out since 2002 in order to truly understand the magnitude of the exposure that these guys were placed under. And, you know, I have nothing but the utmost respect for all the good and honorable men who serve our country. There's a small handful that are ruining it for everybody. everybody and while i take no no pride in exposing this stuff i also know that the best medicine is

1:10:44probably sunlight in this case well so they don't own it they don't own the us military i mean i respect people's service i certainly respect their bravery even the bad guys are brave they're all brave huge balls but like it's not their country it's not their country. It's not their military. They're doing this on our behalf with our money. So who do you think you are, bitch? You can't act like that under our, do you know what I'm saying? I feel this way about our political class too. It's like, this doesn't belong to you, actually. You don't get to wreck it. And we've, we've allowed ourselves to distance ourselves from the very fabric of what makes us ourselves. America is unique more than any other country ever created.

1:11:30And the things that made us unique, we now just complacently accept the opposite of the greatness, the first to do things, the place where people come from other countries to find the American dream. We just sort of accept all that is going to be. And then we don't care to know what's going on in Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years. We care to not want to know what's going on in our government since, you know, I would say since early 1900s, how our government has become what it is today. And you follow those patterns and you see how it got here. And I do that and it scares the shit out of me. And, you know, it makes going off the grid make way more sense. Like sometimes I think the Amish had it all figured out

1:12:27and we've just been duped into thinking something else. They don't have a lot of autism problems. No, that's true. Well, of course, I couldn't agree with you more. So we know that there were, you believe you know, based on years of reporting that there really are, it's not just an urban legend, criminal cartels at work within the U.S. military. Yes. And then, you know, they end up going work for NGOs, which are just a different kind of cartel, right? The Blackwater's, the, you know, there's plenty of NGOs that are doing contract work with ex-special operations guys that are doing things that are not, you know, I don't know if for them to take what they did in their time in the service and monetize it outside. Whether it's starting training companies, whether it's, um, coming, you know, starting a firearms company, whether it's MMA gyms, um, which were the big, that's, that was the first vertical was created, was the rise of MMA

1:13:44within the special operations community and Brazilian jiu-jitsu specifically. There's always ways, there's always money to prop people up, whether it's buying, getting somebody who screws up while they're in the military, but they stayed loyal to the brand and then they get out and they get a book deal and they write a book, leadership or whatever, and all of a sudden it's a New York Times bestseller. Not because the book's good, because there's money behind it. Book purchases of books to spike the sales. Like all that happens. And this is how all these guys end up staying quiet for decades because that gravy train through the SEAL Foundation, through other organizations, that is how they stay part of the brotherhood,

1:14:43long live the brotherhood, but also financially okay. Nobody wants to take that leap and go against the grain and then risk all of that. And you have to ask yourself very much like what would cause someone to kill their commander? What would cause somebody to keep quiet about war crimes for 30, 40, 50, 60 years? Like what would keep you quiet? I know I couldn't be quiet. Like I can't. My soul would get eaten to death. Like money, power, community, all those things keep these guys, you know, toe in line. And it's not all of them. I have so many SEALs that are supporting me and quietly telling me, blow it all up because it's the only way it's going to get fixed. Have you had any luck getting the attention of elected officials?

1:15:43The ones who appropriate the money for all of this? I've had, yes, but not of any consequence. I had a representative in the House of Representatives out of Missouri write a letter requesting that they take a look at the case, got the go pound sand letter back. And Senator McCormick out of Pennsylvania wrote, his office wrote a letter, got the same response. I have no faith in the government doing their job. Pete Hegseth, the last thing he texted me in April 23 before he ghosted me was, if I'm ever in a position to help, I will. Did he wind up in a position to help? He kind of did. You know, the Secretary of Defense, he controls everything within our military industrial complex. And, you know,

1:16:37there has been plenty of conversations with people who are in his sphere who have, on my behalf, spoken and given off ramps for this Jobst case. You know, this was up until last week, there were negotiations happening. And I told him, Tucker's coming. And, you know, we need to have it. If there's going to be a resolution to this in a quiet way, then let's get it done. Because if not, I'm going on Tucker. And that's just happening. So, didn't get done. So, here we are. And again, it's just a matter of getting his manner of death changed from suicide to something else so that it releases the funds that his family deserves. Have you spoken to any of his teammates and people who served under him?

1:17:35From that deployment? Only a couple. Most of them won't talk to me. Luckily, I have all their statements, and they're all scripted. Everybody said basically the same thing in every one of those statements. Even words like aloof, that he was aloof. I can count on one finger the number of times that I've used aloof in a sentence. And I certainly don't think Navy SEALs collectively use the word aloof when describing another person who might be, you know, forgetful or whatever. That's just the word that doesn't get used. Yeah. So describing a commanding officer's aloof is not evidence that he killed himself. No. And, you know, I have had, you know, through hateful emails and threats and telling me that, you know,

1:18:27the man that I thought I knew is not the man that killed himself. He was changed. He did this. And he was, you know, you don't know what it was like. He was depressed. He was withdrawn. Okay, I stipulate to that. And the evidence shows he was murdered. So anything you tell me about this contextual Job Price sadness thing has no bearing because actual evidence shows he was murdered. And there is absolutely zero, not a single stitch of evidence that Job committed suicide. Not actual evidence actual evidence well given the context you've laid out i don't think it sounds crazy that he was killed well i appreciate that because i've been called that a lot um unfortunately john chapman yes you made reference to his story his case

1:19:14what is it what happened so early in the war the first major offensive in afghanistan was um called operation anaconda which uh i remember that yeah so that there were this was a piece of the operation anaconda and there was a mountain called takagar and um tim samansky was the operations officer who planned that mission. You'll see the connectivity there. And he got his team, SEAL Team 16, to take this mission where they were going to go and put a, basically, a recce team, a sniper team, reconnaissance on this mountain. But they knew Delta Force, Pete Blaber labor who has since turned into a complete fraud but um he was the he was the ground force commander of the whole area um he knew there

1:20:12there were enemy on that mountain they'd they'd seen their movement they've been keeping an eye on them they decided to um do the mission anyways and land on top of the mountain. The original plan, they should have landed lower and then made their way up by foot in order to get the element of surprise. They chose not to do that. They decided to land right on top of the mountain due to time constraints, I'm told. And they get hit by an RPG. And one of the SEALs on that team was a six-man team plus John Chapman, who was the Air Force Combat Controller. Neil Roberts, his name was, that fell out the back of the helicopter and the helicopter was going to crash. So the pilot, Alan Mack, who's been on a lot of podcasts, navigated the helicopter to a safe area and crash landed.

1:21:05They got picked up, went back to base, got another helicopter, and they were supposed to land down lower again, and they decided not to do that and land exactly in the same spot that they just got shut down in in order to go rescue Neil Roberts. Did they believe he was alive? The assumption you will go with is that he's alive. Yes. Turns out he wasn't. They actually, he fought valiantly. I've seen the footage of it, and they nearly decapitated him. And took all his gear and just savages. Anyways, they land and they're under heavy fire. Multiple angles. John was the second one off the helicopter, but Slabinski, who was the team leader, was the first one off and fell. It was kind of because it was by deep snow.

1:22:09So, you know, that first step's a doozy if you don't know what's underneath you. And so he took a header off the back of the helicopter. And then John, his job as a CCT is to establish communications with assets overhead and coordinate whatever it is they need to coordinate. So he started, you know, you gotta get higher ground to have your radios work effectively. So he went up the hill first, through the snow, towards gunfire. And it's called Bunker 1 and Bunker 2 in the Medal of Honor packet. He assaulted Bunker 1 by himself, killed two bad guys. But Slabinski followed him up, entered Bunker 1 with him, killed the donkey apparently that was in there. And then they started addressing bunker two,

1:23:05which was a little bit away from that, which had a PK machine gun, which is a heavy duty 762 machine gun. And John gets hit and falls right outside bunker one. And so now it's Britt Slabinski, um, Neil Roberts. They had actually, after they, uh, captured him, the bad guys, they brought him up to this rock outcropping right by bunker one. And then beheaded him basically. Um, he was laying there and then two other seals that had made their way up were fighting this, these multiple positions. They determined that it was untenable and they slid down the side of the mountain, leaving Neil and John on the mountain. Neil had been killed. Yes. John had been shot. Yes. And again, the family, me, nobody is questioning the decision for self-preservation and come up with a better plan.

1:24:09Right. The problem was what happened after for the next 24 years, not necessarily what happened on the mountain that day. Fog of war is real. Things happen. No one's really criticizing Britt Slabinski or SEAL Team 6 for the mission execution just for how they handled it afterwards. And we'll really touch on that. But so John ends up waking up or coming to and proceeds to fight by himself, um, as the QRF, which is army Rangers were coming in to rescue everybody and withdrawing fire away from the helicopter that was bringing the Rangers in and ultimately saved 18 of the 23 with his actions and he was killed. Um, he actually earned two Medal of Honors. In reality, he was only given one because the second half of the part of the story,

1:25:07they ended up classifying the part where he comes to and fights by himself because the Navy didn't want that out there. So immediately afterwards, I mean, he's put on SEAL Team 6 Wall of Fame, which no one sees. He's the only non-SEAL that's up there. He gets put in for an Air Force Cross, which is right below the Medal of Honor. It's the highest medal you can get in the Air Force. But Slabinski, Kyle Soderbergh, and Randy Lowry, who were guys on SEAL Team 6, all wrote statements of facts for that medal about what John did up until the point where they left the mountain. The second half part, they didn't witness. That was witnessed overhead by the ISR and the AC-130 feed. So John gets his Air Force Cross.

1:25:59And for the first few years, everything is John's a hero. Until about 2015 when the Air Force, might have been 16, the Air Force decides they want to look at all valorous medals that have been given out because there's very few Air Force Medal of Honors. So the Secretary of Air Force says, let's take a look and see if anybody qualifies for a Medal of Honor potential. John's name comes up and they review it and definitely deserved a Medal of Honor. So a packet was created and then researched tens of thousands of hours of imagery and analysis, video, pixel tracking, all kinds of stuff that went into this Medal of Honor. It's not some, yay, let's just upgrade it. You have to be able to prove, A, that everything that happened is factual and B, that it's worthy of the highest medal in our military.

1:26:56So they went through this process. The Navy decides, SEAL Team 6, um, decides that they're going to try to block it. Because their guy, Breslebinski, they put him in for the Medal of Honor three times and it was denied. So Johns was getting traction. created this narrative called the red beard theory, which is some Chechen or Uzbeki fighter who was actually on the ISR feed, John doing what he was doing. They're saying is this red beard guy that was actually red on red fighting, bad guys fighting bad guys in daylight, who live on that mountain together for weeks and months at a time and know where every fighting position is on that ridge line. But that's their theory is that this John didn't come to.

1:27:43John died in the first three to four minutes after taking bunker one. When he fell, he was dead from PKM fires, their version. And what happened afterwards was this bad guy shooting at his other bad guy buddies. That got debunked. The video evidence, they were able to track everybody on the mountain and say who was who and where they were. Good thing is John didn't leave that area. Like where he went down, he was fighting and basically in a phone booth in that spot. And that's where he ultimately died as well, a few feet away from where he initially went down. But the Navy kept pressing and pressing and pressing to block John's Medal of Honor until a deal was struck with the Air Force Secretary and the Navy Secretary that they would attach

1:28:33Pritz Slabinski's Medal of Honor to John Chapman's Medal of Honor, and they would both get the Medal of Honor, and they would both get the Medal of Honor. So in 2018, they both got their medals, except Brett got his first. So the dead guy didn't get his first. The alive guy got his first, because that was one of the agreements that the Navy had requested that, because it looks like you're, you know, first place, right? That you're the one getting your medal first means you did the most. And, you know, on a surface level, you think about it and they're probably don't want the narrative of we left a man behind because that's counter to what their narrative is every time we never leave a man behind um and i and for a long time up until the last probably three or four weeks

1:29:17i just assumed that was the reasoning, why would you go to this length to stop merit being given to somebody who clearly deserved it? Yes. Why would you try to, you know, run his name through the mud all these years later? Like, what's the motivating factor? So, John gets his Medal of Honor and everything's fine. The families come to terms with the fact that they're never going to get the full, John's never going to get his full just due, but there's enough. And as long as nobody's, you know, rubbing their face in it or trying to besmirch him in any way, they were fine. And then the National Medal of Honor Museum opened. There was a grand opening. And leading up to that, members of the board had called the Chapman family and said they

1:30:09wanted to honor John and have a prominent display in the museum. And so they were getting artifacts together to put in this big display in the museum. And shortly, a couple months before the grand opening, Lori Chapman Longfritz, who is John's sister, finds out that there was a change in plans. Nobody notified them that John was not getting a prominent display. But Slabinski was. So, of course, that turned into a major event within the Chapman family, reopened the wound, pissed them off. Museum just kept pushing them away and deflecting and not really addressing the situation. And I went with her to the grand opening down in Arlington, Texas in March of 25. And I think it was 25. Everything blends together.

1:31:02But anyways, recently, within the last year or so. And when you walk into the museum, it's a very nice museum, but John has a plaque the size of that screen hanging on a wall and a timeline of Medal of Honor winners. And Brett Slabinski has a room half the size of this, an area of all artifacts about how awesome Brett Slabinski is. The guy who's alive because of the actions of John Chapman is being celebrated as the hero in that story because the dead guy can't talk. So that pissed me off. I pissed the family off. And it put what was the bed and pulled the covers off and exposed everything again. So over the years, I had known that there's this guy named Mitch Hall, who was a SEAL Team 6 guy who wants to be famous in Hollywood, that he was tasked by Tim Szymanski to create a documentary based off of the Redbeard Theory on what happened on that mountain. the talking about phase. There was no real public movement with the documentary until recently.

1:32:22And for a long time, Mitch has been trying to get Lori, a guy named Rob Harrison, who was the second guy on the AC-130 overhead, eyewitnessed everything that was going on through the television screens they were watching on, and me to come on and be interviewed for this fake documentary. We respectfully declined. He can't handle that. So he has to badger and do all this stuff trying to get us to, you know, under the guise of it, we're just trying to find the truth. And the documentary is called The Ground Truth. We call it The Ground Spoof. But that's the working premises. They're regurgitating the debunked theory that was debunked during the Medal of Honor process eight years ago. They're trying to bring it and turn it into a documentary.

1:33:09So, recently, Mitch and a guy named Brian Bloom, who was a video game voice guy and like a bit actor in a soap opera. It's his business partner. And this documentary went on Andy Stump's podcast, Cleared Hot, which is, you know, Andy was a Navy SEAL, SEAL Team Sex guy. And Mitch spent the better part of 10 hours over the course of three different episodes, at least released it as. Literally, when asked by Andy Stump whether John Chapman deserved a medal of honor, he said no. And running John's name through the mud, running Lori's name through the mud, John's family through the mud, and produced no evidence, very similar to Job's case where there's no evidence to show what they're saying, but they want you to believe that's what happened.

1:34:08And that video of them coming out and what they're going to try to paint is in direct conflict with what the truth was that happened that day. And Lurie and a guy named Dan Schilling, who was an Air Force combat controller, wrote a bestselling book called Alone at Dawn, which is the true accounts of what happened to John Chapman. And she autographed this book for you. And then also wrote a memoir about John that she also wanted to give you. So because they're bullies and because they picked on a dead man and his family, I decided to start digging about three weeks ago. And luckily through the course of my relationships that I've built over the last seven years, I was able to obtain all the necessary evidence that I need to review still.

1:35:06All the ISR feed uncut, the AC-130 feeds, everything that the Air Force used to prove what John did is what John did. I was looking at the autopsy the other day and I'm pretty well-versed and understand what the enemy uses as their primary weapons, which is AK-47s, AK-74s, PKM machine guns. Yep. Not a lot of 9mm or .38 specials during combat for Al-qaeda just not something that they they're not carrying the 38 no they're not no wheel guns um and i noticed that you know john had nine bullet wounds um the great thing about forensics we talked about job is that it's science. It's provable that certain things have to happen for certain things to happen. So in order for John to have been dead in the first four minutes, the wounds that were fatal would have had to have happened first.

1:36:15Because that's what the story is that the Navy SEALs are trying to paint. The reality is that he had nine wounds. Seven of them were non-lethal and forensically show that for at least an hour, his body was still pumping blood because the wounds presented in a way that showed that there was blood pressure at the time for an extended period of time after the wounds were sustained, which means he wasn't dead. It means he was alive for at least an hour, which then correlates with the, him getting up and fighting again and then receiving the fatal wounds, um, from the PK machine gun, which blew up his aorta. Like it was definite lethal wounds. Like you don't get shot, um, in the aorta four minutes in and then get up and fight again.

1:37:05And then I was looking at the bullets that were recovered from him. There's a lot of shrapnel. They've dropped bombs all around him. The AC-based 7.62 rounds that were recovered from his body. And they were small caliber. And the only people carrying small calibers on that mountain were the good guys. There's no reference anywhere in any report of any handguns recovered from the bad guys that were killed on that mountain. So there's a couple bullets that are in John that I have some questions about. How did they get there? How did a small handgun caliber round wind up in John Chapman's body? And they don't have an answer for that, but I will find an answer to that. What's your thought? My thought is I will show grace and say that there was probably a lot of

1:38:17things happening all at once. Yep. And people are moving all over the place. Gunfire's coming. There's no stationary position anybody was in for any length of time in those first four minutes. Because the SEALs, once they exfiled off the side of the mountain, never went back into the fight. They had guys that were wounded and they were exfiled. They never reengaged the enemy. So their vantage point is only four minutes four and a half maybe but during that four and a half minutes John was shot by his own guys is what I believe and I'm going to say not intentionally because I don't believe because of where the wounds were they were in his legs, the back of his legs, that they have to have been unintentional.

1:39:06Who's firing a handgun in a firefight? Well, they're in a bunker. So I don't know if, you know, and they're in the middle of 20 inches, 22 inches of snow, and, you know, automatic weapons are going to malfunction and maybe add to transition to, to a sidearm. You know, they carry two, two sixes, SIG two, two sixes, but I have, uh, I've spoken to several people who were involved in the pre-deployment workup where conversations were had, uh, between, uh, trainers and, um, Britt Sllebinski and John Chapman because Britslebinski told John Chapman not to carry a handgun because of the weight of the things he was going to have to carry, the radios and all that stuff, and not to carry a handgun. John didn't think that was tactically sound,

1:39:56so he went and talked to the trainers and said, you know, what are your thoughts? Should I, shouldn't I? And they're like, yes, you definitely should have, you always should have a handgun with you just in case something malfunctions. You have another opportunity to put lead down range. And then Slabinski entered the conversation and was arguing as to why handguns aren't needed. And when he was told about the Vietnam era SEALs carrying wheel guns, back then I think it was the Model 66 Taurus, I think is what they were carrying back then. In 357? In 38, they carried both. He was enamored by that. The idea of doing what the old school SEALs did. And, you know, tactically speaking, a wheel gun is going to work pretty much in any environment.

1:40:50As long as you pull the trigger, it's going to go bang if there's a bullet in there. And so it would make sense that maybe he carried it. I don't have any direct knowledge that he did carry a 38 or 357, but I do know that he was carrying a Sig 226 at least, because that's what they were issued. And John was carrying a Sig 226. John Chapman is an American hero. Ron Howard is putting out a movie in December of 27 called Alone at Dawn featuring Adam Driver as John Chapman. Anne Hathaway is playing some amalgamation of multiple people that so hell-bent 24 years later to destroy the Chapman family and the legacy of John Chapman? What could have happened so egregious that would cause that much ire and anger for someone to want to do that again over and over?

1:41:59I mean, this is over the course of 24 years, five, six times that this wound's been reopened. And initially I thought it's because they left a man behind and they're just too egotistical and narcissistic and they can't allow for that to be their identifying action from that mission. But now that I found these bullets in John Chapman, maybe I think that's what they're covering up. I don't know. I'm gonna find out though. Why would they shoot him? I don't think it was intentional. I just think it happened. And I think the fact that someone, cause I don't, as far as I know, based on everybody I've talked to, nobody's looked at his autopsy with any, like, trying to figure anything out. But it's very clear to me that something doesn't fit.

1:42:48And, you know, that's how I started with Job. Something didn't look right. Something didn't feel right. My gut says this. Something doesn't look right with that autopsy. There's no justification as to how those handgun rounds ended up in John's body. Because he was being shot at by a 7.62 machine gun. And the guys that were in the bunker had AK-47s. So, where did these rounds come from? So, that's the thing I think they're scared about. And that's why it's worth it for them to ruin their own reputation in order to protect that information from coming out. That's what it seems like to me. How long are you gonna continue on the trail of corruption in elite military units? No, I don't wanna do it at all.

1:43:39I'm gonna see Job's case through. And now that I'm directly involved in the Chapman case, I'm going to see that one through. But there is zero interest for me to go after anyone else. I'm not investigating anybody else. Never did. I didn't investigate Rob O'Neill or any of the other famous SEALs or any other SEAL for that matter that was involved in any potential crime or cover-up. And I don't want to. But I don't like bullies. I don't like liars. I don't like people who hurt other people intentionally in order to serve their own best interests. And as long as Brits Labinsky, oh, I didn't even mention this. Brits Labinsky is on the board of the National Medal of Honor Museum, and he's the president of the National, of the Congressional Medal of Honor recipient who is at the top of the food chain of an organization meant to protect the integrity of the Medal of Honor recipients and the Medal of Honor itself is publicly saying that the guy that saved his life on that mountain that day who also received the Medal of Honor did not earn it publicly.

1:44:56How does somebody remain on the board? Charlotte Jones, Jerry Jones's daughter, is the president or CEO of the museum down in Arlington. She should demand that Brett Slabinski step down from any role within that organization. The Medal of Honor Society should have him step down and stripped of his title of president of that society. He's president of a company, of a nonprofit called Turbo Vets. There's a recent incident between him and a guy named Eric Deming, who was a SEAL. Great guy. We've become very good friends. It was a vet influencer type conference. And Brett was speaking about how do we honor our dead was the topic of his talk. Eric went, recorded an exchange with Britt where he stood up, introduced himself, introduced him actually before the event. He introduced himself to Britt and said, hey, you know, while we're on the topic of honoring our dead, can you name off the seven guys that died that day on the mountain?

1:46:00Rangers and John Chapman and Neil Roberts. And he couldn't. And then he lost his mind. Screaming, fuck you. Got in Eric's face. It's all in video. And then Jason Redman, who was another Navy SEAL, who was injured in an op. I don't want to say assaulted, but Eric's wife was wearing one of those badge, lanyard badges as an attendee. And her name was facing inward, so no, he couldn't see who she was. So he grabbed her chest and the lanyard badge and flipped it around and said, now I know who you are. This is another SEAL who was there with Brett Slabinski. So Brett Slabinski is unstable. I think he has a lot of guilt. And I think he's unraveling. And if I were his handler, I would make sure he goes into treatment

1:47:04and gets the help that he needs. And I would certainly have no affiliation with anything to do with the Medal of Honor. And the fact that, you know, no one is calling for that yet. And there's a lot of people, Congress, there's a lot of people, Congress, there's a lot of people involved that are unhappy with what's happened in the last three weeks with this documentary with Mitch Hall and Bruce Labinsky's losing his crap with Eric Deming. They're very unhappy because it's bringing a negative light to the Medal of Honor itself. Just think about it. Every Medal of Honor from here on out, now that this is a big public thing, is going to be, it's like Barry Bonds with steroids. Like there's just going to be an asterisk

1:47:47and that's unfortunate and it was avoidable. You know, had they just, and I hate to take it back to the museum display, but had they just did the right thing. Museums are meant for the people who can't talk anymore. They're meant to remember those who are no longer here. If they would have just given John his display, as promised, I would guarantee we wouldn't be sitting here. Well, when everything becomes corrupt, It's a fact. Matt, thank you for that. You're welcome. Painful topic. I think you handled it respons, thank you for that. You're welcome. Painful topic. I think you handled it responsibly, and I'm grateful that you did.