Answered from Courage vs. Capitulation: Lewis and Weisberg on Trump 2.0’s Quiet Heroes and Loud Cowards · On with Kara Swisher · 2026-11-02
Michael Lewis told Kara Swisher that Blockers profiles career civil servants whom Elon Musk's Doge team labeled blockers and tried to remove. Most were in their fifties, had served through Trump's first term without trouble and kept their politics private. Lewis says they were not obstructing anyone, only doing their jobs and defending laws and norms, and that each had their work disrupted or career ended in a different way.
“You can get another job, you can't get another soul is what they like to say.” Michael Lewis · at 19:03 — open in the transcript →
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